Property investing for passive income

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Sean Aylmer 0:01
I'm Sean Aylmer, and today we're sharing an episode from our sister podcast, How Do They Afford That? If you haven't listened before, it's our personal finance podcast, out every Wednesday, hosted by Michael Thompson and financial planner Kenna Campbell. In this episode, they take a look at property investing in a post-negative gearing world. How to either shift your focus to generating passive income from rental properties or use exemptions and loopholes to still make the most of negative gearing.
Michael Thompson 0:32
Welcome to How Do They Afford That, the podcast that peeks into the financial lives of everyday Australians. I'm Michael Thompson. I'm an author and the co-host of the business news podcast, Fear and Greed. As always, I'm with Canna Campbell, financial planner and founder of Sugar Mama TV, the financial literacy platform covering YouTube and podcasts, obviously like this one, and Instagram and threads and TikTok and books like our upcoming book, 12 Months to Financial Freedom. Hello, Canna.
Canna Campbell 0:57
Good morning. How are you?
Michael Thompson 0:59
I am going very well, a very topical episode today. Yeah. Property investing, which has changed a little bit this year, hasn't it? Just a tad.

How has negative gearing changed for property investors?

Michael Thompson 1:10
Just a wee bit. When people talk about property investing in Australia, the conversation has always gone towards negative gearing, just because it has been such a key part of that landscape. right? It's not the case anymore. It's not the case that that is the first thing that you think of. Now, the landscape for property investment in Australia has changed. So today, I want to talk to you, obviously, that's why we're in the studio together, to get an idea basically of how you can still make property investing work for you. And I suspect, got a little hunch, that it might have something to do with passive income rather than the negative gearing and the tax incentives.
Canna Campbell 1:59
We love our passive income.
Michael Thompson 2:01
We certainly do. Okay, let's get into it. And, of course, this is not financial advice. No, none whatsoever. So if you hear something here that you go, oh, okay, all right, that makes a lot of sense to me, I might look into that, speak to a professional. Go and see a financial planner who can give you some advice that is tailored to your circumstances. Property investing. Is it still a valid way to build wealth in Australia?
Canna Campbell 2:28
I believe so. Yeah. But the way that you do it is most important. Not necessarily that it is property or not. It's not a black and white question. I think the strategy, the approach, the ultimate goal has now changed with the federal budget.
Michael Thompson 2:45
Okay.
Okay.
Michael Thompson 2:47
As far as, maybe let's deal with negative gearing first. Because that's a big one. Yeah, because it's not completely off the table, is it? Maybe explain to us how negative gearing worked previously, because it still does exist.
Canna Campbell 3:05
Okay. Negative gearing is essentially where holding an investment asset costs you. Say I go and buy a million dollar investment property and I receive, say, $50,000 a year in rent, but I'm paying out $70,000 a year in interest. It's technically costing me $20,000. Now, previously, if I had bought that property prior to budget night, I'd be able to claim the $20,000 off my tax as a deduction. Going forward, if I bought that after budget night, I wouldn't be able to claim that off my tax, assuming it's not a new build. Mm-hmm. And even going forward with the new builds, it's actually quarantined to the rental income. So you can only actually offset that negative, like cash flow negative against other rental income.
Canna Campbell 3:52
You can't use it to take off as a deduction off, say, your salary. So it's a significant change in the landscape and also the terms and conditions of the game.
Michael Thompson 4:02
Yeah, okay. And I think for the purposes of this conversation, we will just look at kind of how it works from now onwards rather than those who already hold investment properties because the way that negative gearing works is largely unchanged for those who have already been in the system prior to the changes being introduced by the budget.
Canna Campbell 4:22
And that's really important because I think a lot of headlines obviously are confusing people.

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