Feeling Good Podcast | TEAM-CBT - The New Mood Therapy
Episodes
191: How to Crush Negative Thoughts: Mental Filter/Discounting the Positives
18 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This is the fourth in our podcasts series on the best techniques to crush each of the ten cognitive distortions from my book, Feeling Good: The New M...
190: How To Crush Negative Thoughts: Overgeneralization
11 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This is the third in our podcasts series on the best techniques to crush each of the ten cognitive distortions from my book, Feeling Good: The New Mo...
Corona Cast 7: My Sruggle with Covid-19! Is it REALLY True that only Our Thoughts Can Upset Us?
07 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Rhonda begins by reading several brief heart-warming endorsements from listeners like you. We are grateful for all of your kind and thoughtful emails ...
189: How to Crush Negative Thoughts: All-or-Nothing Thinking
04 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This is the second in a series of podcasts by David and Rhonda focusing on the best techniques to crush each of the ten cognitive distortions I first ...
Corona Cast 6: Love Story, Part 2 -- The Surprise Conclusion
30 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
On April 9, 2020, David and Rhonda did a live TEAM-CBT session with Dr. Taylor Chesney, a former student of David's who is now the head of the Feelin...
188: How to Crush Negative Thoughts: The Cognitive Distortion Starter Kit!
27 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This is the first in a series of podcasts by David and Rhonda focusing on the best techniques to crush each of the ten cognitive distortions in David'...
187: Live Therapy with Michael--The Awesome Atlanta TEAM Therapy Demo!
23 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Recently we did a follow-up podcast with Dr. Michael Greenwald, who bravely volunteered to be the patient in the live therapy demonstration on the ev...
186: Mark Your Calendars -- The Evolution of Psychotherapy Conference is Coming in December 2020. An Interview with Dr. Jeffrey Zeig
20 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Today, Rhonda and David have the honor and pleasure of interviewing Dr. Jeffrey Zeig, the beloved founder and head of the Milton H. Erickson Institute...
Corona Cast 5:The Corona Cast Survey. Have Our Negative or Positive Feelings Changed? And by How Much? Are Men or Women Hurting More?
16 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
David and Rhonda are joined in today's podcast by Drs. Alex Clarke and Diane Schiano, as well as Jeremy Karmel, who are all members of David's Tuesday...
185: More Great Questions from Listeners Like You!
13 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Rhonda and David address five fascinating questions in today's podcast, including these: "I'm incredibly shy. How do you talk to girls?" How did you ...
Corona Cast 4: I Might Lose My Husband!
09 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
David and Rhonda are joined in today's podcast by Dr. Taylor Chesney, a former student of David's who is now the head of the Feeling Good Institute of...
Corona Cast 3: Quieting Conflict / Boosting Love
06 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
My mother won't follow my advice! David and Rhonda are joined in today's podcast by Alex Clarke, MD, a former student of David's who is practicing TEA...
Corona Cast 2: Is this the "New Normal?"
30 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
With the "Shelter in Place" orders in California, we are recording these podcasts from our homes instead of from the Murietta Studios. The sound qua...
Corona Cast 1: Honoring Your Angst
23 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
With the "Shelter in Place" orders in California, we are recording these podcasts from our homes instead of from the Murietta Studios. The sound qua...
184: What Comes First? Negative Thoughts or Feelings? Solving the Chicken vs. the Egg Problem, and More!
16 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Today, Rhonda and David answer several challenging questions submitted by listeners like you. What schools of therapy are embedded in TEAM? Do negati...
183: Tough Conversations about Racial Bias. Yikes! Do We HAVE TO Talk About This?
09 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Today, Rhonda and David talk about how to give potentially hurtful feedback when you sense racial bias in a friend or colleague. She describes an inci...
182: Ask David-Are Negative and Positive Distortions Bad? Treating an Existential Crisis. Agreeing with Unfair Criticisms
02 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Today, Rhonda and David answer three great questions submitted by listeners like you. I am confused about the terms, negative and positive distortion...
181: LIve Therapy with Sarah: Shrinks are Human, Too!
24 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In my workshops and weekly training group for community therapists at Stanford, we often include personal work as a part of the training. The personal...
180: Feeling Great: The Book and the App!
17 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Rhonda and David are joined today by Jeremy Karmel who is working with David on a new Feeling Great app. Rhonda begins by reading several amazing emai...
179: My Husband is Leaving Me. I Think He Needs Help!
10 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Rhonda and David are joined today by Dr. Michael Greenwald, who was in the studio following his recording of last week's podcast. We address a fascina...
178: Social Anxiety Be Gone! The Awesome Atlanta TEAM Therapy Demonstration!
03 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In today's podcast, Rhonda and David are honored to interview Dr. Michael Greenwald, a courageous clinical psychologist who helped make the Atlanta In...
177: Our Beloved Fabrice returns! New Psychedelic Research!
27 Jan 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Rhonda, Fabrice, and David discuss psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy, Fabrice's wonderful new marriage, his fascinating new podcast (http://peaceatla...
176: My suicidal daughter refuses to talk with me / How can I deal with my jealousy?
20 Jan 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Rhonda and David discuss two challenging questions submitted by listeners like you. Question #1: Cindy asks: My suicidal daughter refuses to talk...
175: What if I REALLY AM a useless human being? The Cure for Therapeutic Failure!
13 Jan 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Rhonda and David address a question from Karolina, a therapist in Poland who was failing with a depressed patient who felt totally convinced he was a ...
174: Sadness as Celebration featuring Steve & Barbara Reinhard
06 Jan 2020
Contributed by Lukas
People in the featured photo for today's podcast. Back row: Amir, David, Rhonda, and Dave. Front row: Steve and Barb This will be our first podcast of...
173: Dr. Amir Sabouri on the Human Side of Medicine
30 Dec 2019
Contributed by Lukas
This will be our last podcast of 2019, so we wanted to make it something special. We also want to thank all of you for your support over the past year...
172: Ask David: What's the Impact of Emotional Trauma on the Brain? And more
23 Dec 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Happy Holidays to everyone! Today's podcast is nestled between Hanukkah (on the 22nd) and Christmas Eve (on the 24th.) We send our warmest greetings t...
171: Ask David: "Burn Out," Physical Pain, and more
16 Dec 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Today, Rhonda rejoins us as host after a three week hiatus! My neighbor, Dave Fribush, joins us as well, as we answer two thought-provoking questions...
170: Ask David: Helping Abused Women, and the Case Against Wellness!
09 Dec 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Today, Rhonda could not join us due to the religious holidays, so we have recorded several podcasts with my wonderful neighbor, Dave Fribush, as host....
169: More on Social Anxiety-The Case for Vulnerability!
02 Dec 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Today's podcast features Michael Simpson, a friend and colleague of Dr Burns, who describes his personal battle with social anxiety. Dave Fribush will...
168: Ask David: The Blushing Cure, How to Heal a Broken Heart, Treating Anorexia, and more!
25 Nov 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Happy Thanksgiving if you live in the United States! This is my favorite holiday, because it means just hanging out with the people you love, eating s...
167: Feeling Great: Professor Mark Noble on TEAM-CBT and the Brain
18 Nov 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Professor Mark Noble was our special guest on the one hundredth Feeling Good Podcast. In that podcast, he described the effects of TEAM-CBT on the hu...
166: Escape from Physical Pain: An Interview with Dr. David Hanscom
11 Nov 2019
Contributed by Lukas
In today's podcast, David and Rhonda interview Dr. David Hanscom, a renowned and controversial spine surgeon who gave up a large and lucrative surgica...
165: Ask David: Why do shrinks kill themselves? How to find out if your loved one is suicidal.
04 Nov 2019
Contributed by Lukas
In today's podcast, David and Rhonda answer two questions about suicide submitted by podcast fans. Question 1. Why do shrinks kill themselves? Dear Dr...
164: How to HELP, and how NOT to Help!
28 Oct 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Lately, I've received numerous emails asking, in essence, "how can I help my loved one who has this or that problem?" I would say that I get several e...
163: Ask David: Anxiety, Dreams, Cyclical Negative Thoughts, Secrets of Selling, Exposure, and more
21 Oct 2019
Contributed by Lukas
163: Ask David: Anxiety, Dreams, Cyclical Negative Thoughts, Secrets of Selling, Exposure, and more Can you treat anxiety without meds? How do you in...
162: HIgh-Speed Cure for OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder)
14 Oct 2019
Contributed by Lukas
"Yikes! I might get contaminated!" The Treatment of Sara Today we are joined by a woman named Sara, who will be featured in one of the chapters from m...
161: Listening to a Different Kind of Music
07 Oct 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Hearing the Music Behind the Words This podcast again features the music of two beloved colleagues we introduced last week, Brandon Vance, MD and Heat...
160: Listening to the Music of TEAM
30 Sep 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Introducing Brandon Vance, MD & Heather Clague, MD This podcast features the music of two beloved colleagues, Brandon Vance, MD and Heather Clague M...
159: Live Therapy with Marilyn: "What if I die without having lived a meaningful life?"
23 Sep 2019
Contributed by Lukas
The Secret of a Meaningful Life One of my favorite podcasts of all time, and one of the most frequently downloaded, was the live session with Daisy (...
158: Changing the Focus: One of the Advanced Secrets of Effective Communication
16 Sep 2019
Contributed by Lukas
David and Rhonda are joined again today by David's neighbor, friend, and hiking buddy, Dave Fribush. We appreciate his superb technical skills and tha...
157: Psychotherapy Training: Poor, Good or Outstanding?
09 Sep 2019
Contributed by Lukas
One Student's Experience In today's podcast, Rhonda and I are super-pleased to interview Kyle Jones again. For some time now, Kyle has been telling me...
156: Ask David: How can I cope with claustrophobia? What if the entire world thinks I am not worthwhile?
02 Sep 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Plus, Thomas Szaas, TV Shrinks, and more! David and Rhonda are joined today by David's neighbor, friend, and hiking buddy, Dave Fribush. He has incred...
155: Treating Depression, Emotional Eating, and Self-Image Problems with TEAM-CBT
26 Aug 2019
Contributed by Lukas
The Story of Lorraine and "Anna" In today's podcast, David and Rhonda interview Dr. Lorraine Wong, a board-certified clinical psychologist, and her pa...
154: Ask David - Relationship Problems: What can you do when people "ghost" you? What can I do when my wife doesn't want sex? And more!
19 Aug 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Ask David Five Secrets Relationship Questions Kate asks: I love listening to your podcasts and am currently reading my way through your book, Feeling ...
153 - Ask David: Is it ok to touch patients? Does Depression ALWAYS result from distorted thoughts? And more!
12 Aug 2019
Contributed by Lukas
New Ask David Questions Kelly asks: Would love to hear a podcast about to use or not to use touch in therapy. I personally feel touch is extremely he...
152: Treating At-Risk Teens with TEAM-CBT. Can you REALLY Make a Difference?
05 Aug 2019
Contributed by Lukas
In today's podcast, Rhonda and I interview the incredibly brilliant, funny, and creative Amy Spector. Amy is a licensed marriage and family therapist...
151: Treating LGBTQ Patients--What's the TEAM Approach?
29 Jul 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Are there some special techniques therapists need to use when working with LGBTQ patients? Does the therapeutic approach have to be different? In toda...
150: I'm anxious but don't have any negative thoughts. What can I do?
22 Jul 2019
Contributed by Lukas
What can you do when you can't identify your negative thoughts? Is it really true that our feelings always result from negative thoughts? How can I ge...
149: Is Cognitive Therapy a Cure-All for Everything?
15 Jul 2019
Contributed by Lukas
I recently published the results of a survey of Feeling Good Podcast fans like yourself. The findings were overwhelmingly positive and illuminating....
148: Ask David: What's in your new book? What's a nervous breakdown? How fast is fast? And more!
08 Jul 2019
Contributed by Lukas
How would you overcome the fear of aging? Can you use TEAM for sports psychology? Describe your typical day, David-- do you ever get down or anxious? ...
147: High-Speed Treatment of PTSD?
01 Jul 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Is it REALLY Possible? And Can the Effects Last? Rhonda and David interview Garry, a veteran who David treated for PTSD several years ago at a trauma ...
146: When Helping Doesn't Help!
24 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Hi Listeners: Most people do not do a very good at helping loved ones, colleagues, or friends who are upset and complaining. Have you ever noticed tha...
145: The TEAM Therapy Paradoxes
17 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Hi Listeners: Many of our podcasts are inspired by listeners like you who send us really cool emails with show ideas. Sometimes the emails are from pe...
144: Ask David--Relationships, Relationships, Relationships!
10 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
My wife claims that I never listen! How can I possibly agree with her? My wife left me! How can I correct the distortions in her criticisms? How can...
143: Performance Anxiety: The Conclusion
03 Jun 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Session with Rhonda, Part 2 Last week we published the first half of the session with Rhonda, who was struggling with severe performance anxiety about...
142: Performance Anxiety: The Story of Rhonda, Part 1
27 May 2019
Contributed by Lukas
"I sound stupid! . . . Ouch!" Have you every struggled with performance anxiety, thinking you might fail or not be good enough? I think it is fair to ...
141: Two Year Follow-Up with Mark
20 May 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Are the rapid changes real? And do they last? In the Spring of 2017, we published our first live TEAM therapy session so our listeners could peak behi...
140: Ask David--Hypochondria, Abuse Survivors, Healthy Euphoria, Mania, ADHD, LSD and more!
13 May 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Do I have ADHD? Is it a real disorder? Hi podcast fans, Today we've got some terrific questions that you have submitted. General Questions Jose and...
139: Can a Self-Help Book REALLY Help? Or Is It Just Hype?
06 May 2019
Contributed by Lukas
What's Bibliotherapy? Hi podcast fans,David and Rhonda discuss and old controversy: Can a self-help book can really help? Or will you need psychothera...
138: Rapid Trauma Treatment — The Sherri Story (Part 2)
29 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
This is the second of two podcasts on the Story of Sherrie, who experienced some of the symptoms of PTSD after a traumatic event involving her husband...
137: Rapid Trauma Treatment: The Sherri Story (Part 1)
22 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Hi Podcast Fans, There have been many requests for more podcasts on how we would treat trauma, using the TEAM-CBT model. I have done at least 25 works...
136: Mindfulness (Part 2) - Muscle or Myth?
15 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Rhonda, Fabrice and I received a number of thoughtful emails following our recent podcast on mindfulness meditation, which seems to be quite popular t...
135: Smashing Shyness (Part 2) — Beating Social Anxiety
08 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
How to Overcome Shyness In a recent podcast, David and Rhonda emphasized the importance of specificity--selecting one specific moment when you want he...
134: Smashing Shyness (Part 1) — Beating Social Anxiety
01 Apr 2019
Contributed by Lukas
How to Overcome Shyness David and Rhonda begin with two emails (among many) from listeners asking for more help on the problem of social anxiety. Emai...
133: Finale — Goodbye Fabrice! Hello Rhonda!
25 Mar 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Mission Accomplished! Dear Feeling Good Podcast fans, I am profoundly sad to say goodbye to my beloved friend and terrific podcast host, Dr. Fabrice N...
132: Ask David — Do we really create our own interpersonal reality? What if you're being raped?
18 Mar 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Today's Ask David questions. Do depression and anxiety result from medical illnesses, like thyroid problems? Do we REALLY create our own interpersona...
131: Ask David — How Can I Develop Greater Joy and Happiness? Does "Neuroticism" Exist?
11 Mar 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Debbie asks: Can you use TEAM-CBT to help people with medical disorders, such as Parkinsonism or Cancer? Here is the promised link to Stirling Moorey'...
130: Fractal Psychotherapy — The Power of Specificity
04 Mar 2019
Contributed by Lukas
If you're my patient, and you want help, I will ask you what specific problem you want help with. These are the four most common problems I see: depre...
129: Flexing the Mindfulness Muscle
25 Feb 2019
Contributed by Lukas
In this role-reversal of the traditional Feeling Good Podcast, Dr. David Burns and his special guest, Dr. Rhonda Barovsky, interview Dr. Fabrice Nye, ...
128: Intense Social Anxiety — What Can I Do?
18 Feb 2019
Contributed by Lukas
You CAN Defeat Shyness! Lately, I've gotten lots of emails from podcast fans who struggle with shyness, which is categorized in DSM5 (The Diagnostic a...
127: Communicating with the Opposite Side of the Political Divide
11 Feb 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Can the Five Secrets of Effective Communication Help Us in this Era of Intensely Polarized Politics? Clearly, the nation is intensely divided, and pas...
126: The "Advanced" Secrets of Effective Communication
04 Feb 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Learning to use the Five Secrets skillfully requires strong motivation and lots of practice, but the benefits can be tremendous. The Five Secrets have...
125: Ask David — How Do You Treat Chronic Laziness?
28 Jan 2019
Contributed by Lukas
More Great Questions from Listeners Kevin asks: After your initial improvement from treatment or from reading your book, Feeling Good, what can one d...
124: Ten MORE Errors Therapists Make (Part 2)
21 Jan 2019
Contributed by Lukas
I hope you've enjoyed these episode on Common Therapist Errors, and I apologize in advance if any of the ideas I'm proposing in today's podcast seem "...
123: Ten MORE Errors Therapists Make (Part 1)
14 Jan 2019
Contributed by Lukas
I was concerned that our recent "Ten Most Common Therapist Errors" show might antagonize people, but we got quite a lot of positive and encouraging fe...
122: How to Say "No!" — with Guest Jill Levitt, Ph.D.
07 Jan 2019
Contributed by Lukas
Do you have trouble saying "no"? Lots of people do—and it can sometimes get you into trouble. In spite of many best-selling books on assertiveness, ...
121: Ask David — Do You Believe in Freud's Notion of Secondary Gain? Is Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) Real?
31 Dec 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Answers to Great Questions from Listeners Like YOU! Dylan asks: Do you believe in Freud's "secondary gain," in which patients resist change because t...
120: The Top 10 Errors Therapists Make
24 Dec 2018
Contributed by Lukas
This is David and Fabrice's top ten list for the worst errors therapists make. 1. Failure to Measure (symptoms, empathy and helpfulness). Research sho...
119: Self-Defeating Beliefs (Part 2) — Can You Change Them?
17 Dec 2018
Contributed by Lukas
How can you get rid of Self-Defeating Beliefs? Although any of the 100 + TEAM-CBT methods can be used to modify an SDB, four methods will be highligh...
118: Self-Defeating Beliefs (Part 1) — The Beliefs That Defeat You
10 Dec 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Rajesh asked: Is it possible to change an SDB? Does the mere knowledge of an SDB change it? How long does it take to change an SDB? How do you change...
117: Stephanie James Interview (Part 3) — The Trifecta of Feeling Terrific
03 Dec 2018
Contributed by Lukas
I recently did two terrific interviews (Podcasts #92 and #111) with Stephanie James on her superb radio show and podcast, The Spark. Today, Fabrice an...
116: Spirituality and Psychotherapy: Contradictory or Complementary? with Mike Christensen
26 Nov 2018
Contributed by Lukas
This dynamic interview covers the integration of TEAM-CBT with Christianity as well as Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, the Muslim faith, and more. Mike, ...
115: Healing Addiction with Stephen Pfleiderer
19 Nov 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Fabrice and I were thrilled to interview our dear friend and colleague, Stephen Pfleiderer, who is the first therapist in the world using TEAM-CBT tec...
114: The Upgrade Interview — How to Change Your Perspective
12 Nov 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Rebroadcast of a fabulous interview David did recently for "The Upgrade" Podcast (sponsored by the popular Life Hacker website with hosts Melissa Kirs...
113: Ask David — How Can I Overcome My Perfectionism?
05 Nov 2018
Contributed by Lukas
1. Steven asks about the best route to take if you want to learn and practice TEAM-CBT? Is the degree important? What's the best degree? Should you go...
112: Truth-Based Techniques
29 Oct 2018
Contributed by Lukas
One of the goals for our Feeling Good Podcasts is to bring the TEAM-CBT techniques to life for mental health professionals, patients, and the general ...
111: Stephanie James Interview (Part 2) — On the Road to Feeling Great
22 Oct 2018
Contributed by Lukas
This is the second of three interviews with Stephanie James on her superb radio show and podcast, The Spark. Stephanie is an experienced therapist an...
110: Ask David — How do You Deal with a Sociopath?
15 Oct 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Fabrice and David address several challenging questions submitted by individuals who listen to the Feeling Good Podcasts. Richard: Do you have to ge...
109: David's Top 10 Techniques
08 Oct 2018
Contributed by Lukas
A podcast listener asked about what techniques David is the most proud of. We briefly discuss each one on today's podcast. So here they are! The list...
108: Do You Have a "Self?"
01 Oct 2018
Contributed by Lukas
David emphasizes that there are two issues. First, can your "self" be validly judged as not good enough, as inferior or even worthless? Or, can your "...
107: Interview of Dr. Taylor Chesney — Secrets of TEAM-CBT with Kids
24 Sep 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Fabrice and David are pleased to chat with Dr. Taylor Chesney who is an expert in the treatment of children and teenagers with TEAM-CBT. Taylor was a ...
106: Ask Dr. Helen (and David) — My Husband Doesn't Make me Feel Loved! What Can I Do?
17 Sep 2018
Contributed by Lukas
This is the second podcast on relationship problems. with Dr. Helen Yeni-Komshian. In today's podcast, we address four questions from listeners like y...
105: Ask Dr. Helen (and David) — Is There Such a Thing as Empathy Fatigue?
10 Sep 2018
Contributed by Lukas
We have invited Dr. Helen Yeni-Komshian to join Fabrice and me for two consecutive podcasts on questions listeners have asked about troubled relations...
104: Ask David — The Treatment of Acute and Chronic Pain
03 Sep 2018
Contributed by Lukas
David describes research on the relationship between physical pain and negative emotions such as depression, anxiety, and anger. Does pain cause depre...
103: Ask David — Dealing with Intrusive Memories, Is Depression Inherited?
27 Aug 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Today we answer six questions submitted by listeners like you: Harald: How can I find the Show Notes for the Feeling Good Podcasts? Kristin: How do y...
102: How to Deal With a Suicidal Patient
20 Aug 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Suicidal thoughts and urges are very common among depressed patients. The vast majority of depressed individuals have thoughts of suicide from time to...
101: Ask David — Therapy Wars: REBT vs. TEAM-CBT
13 Aug 2018
Contributed by Lukas
100: The New Micro-Neurosurgery — A Remarkable Interview with Dr. Mark Noble
06 Aug 2018
Contributed by Lukas
The famed neuroscientist, Dr. Mark Noble, from the University of Rochester, has developed a strong interest in TEAM-CBT and has visited our Tuesday gr...
099: Lisa Nicole Bell Interview — Behind the Brilliance
30 Jul 2018
Contributed by Lukas
Lisa Nicole Bell is the host of the highly regarded podcast, Behind the Brilliance. In this lively interview, Nicole and David talk about David's pat...