A JackAss-ian Figure | Horatio Nelson (Part 2/10)

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Who is Horatio Nelson and why is he called a “Jack‑Arsenian” figure?

Fin Taylor 0:09
Welcome back to Finn vs. History. I'm joined by Horatio Gould. And today we're finally getting to Horatio Nelson.
Horatio Gould 0:16
My namesake. The other Horatio. Yeah, one of the three. It's Horatio Kane from CSI Miami. Horatio Nelson and me. I hadn't heard of that first one. It's a big name to live up to, I'll tell you that.
Fin Taylor 0:28
Um Horatio Kane.
Horatio Gould 0:29
No, I I I'm not named after anyone specifically. I think they actually just like the name. But I guess Nelson probably would be more in the the I d I also BB's related to Nelson. Really? So you g you go way, way back and
Fin Taylor 0:41
Well I well well I right go on. I my great great great maybe great great great great great grandfather was the had no arms. Uh he had no arms. And was blind. Anyway. No, he was the surgeon on the HMS victory. Really? About fifteen years after Trafalgar. Oh so yeah. It's really cool and then it's not when it was a tourist boat. Uh when it was a prison, I think. A floating a floating prison in Portsmouth, I think. Uh but there's a portrait of him in my uncle's house, and I this is how w creepy it is. He looks exactly like my uncle. And I thought for the first fifteen years of my life, Oh, that's my uncle dressed up as like a nineteen dandy. And then we were like, Oh no, that's your great great great great grandfather.
Fin Taylor 1:26
And I was like, That's a glitch in the matrix. It looks exactly like my uncle. It looks exactly like my money.
Horatio Gould 1:29
Disciplined breeding, isn't it?
Fin Taylor 1:30
Yeah.
Horatio Gould 1:33
But if you still look like your great great great great grandfather really has not Presbyterian stuff, that is Well that's
Fin Taylor 1:38
Scotland for you.
Horatio Gould 1:40
Like my sister, brilliant, let's get married.
Fin Taylor 1:41
Let's get married. And then we'll have me and you. Uh we're talking about Horatio Nelson. It's part two of our epic No Girls Allowed Ten Parter on the Napoleon Revolution. I tell you what, I
Horatio Gould 1:53
think Nelson I don't know if the ladies of the room would agree, I think Nelson really and this crosses a bit of the boundaries from even male stuff. Really? I would say so. Wouldn't you say it's it's pretty it's just s i uh it's romantic, uh it's I think there's it I don't know, it feels le it doesn't get as bogged down in the sort of like nitty gritty. I think the story is uh can cross gender boundaries.
Fin Taylor 2:15
Nabel amputations.
Horatio Gould 2:16
Yeah, but I don't know.
Fin Taylor 2:20
I
Horatio Gould 2:20
think Nelson as a figure is more attractive for women. People
Fin Taylor 2:24
often comment saying why are you doing this? He's got a fucking column, yeah? And I'm out there every Sunday wearing a Stone Island badge defending it. Yeah. Yeah? Against anyone pr preemptively defending it. I'm there.
Horatio Gould 2:34
Come on then. Come on. Yeah, no one's talking about knocking that down, but I'm defending it. No, I'm defending it. They're not they're
Fin Taylor 2:38
not knocking it down 'cause I'm there. You know
Horatio Gould 2:40
that my favourite video of a true patriot, a real telegraph reader, uh is the um do you know the g that guy in a flat cap who go pushes away Church Churchill as a racist? The carboard side? Yeah, yeah. That guy, do you have that video? Because I just like that is this is one of our patrons for sure. There's just something I've never seen a more right-wing man just like the way that you could just tell he dressed as a farmer. Just as a farmer. Yep.
Fin Taylor 3:03
Barber jacket, Stone Island badge. Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off. Fuck off, bollocks. Get rid of it. Horatio Nelson is you know, it's it's weird because I didn't learn about any of this at school. I found all this out myself. I
Horatio Gould 3:20
did my own research for this as well. I've
Fin Taylor 3:22
done my own research here. Right and I think that's a a national travesty that our children are are kept away from the Napoleonic Wars. Is the
Horatio Gould 3:32
most exciting British individual as a s from a storytelling perspective? Until
Fin Taylor 3:38
until David Beckham, yeah. Yeah, who who can match him? I mean Monty, you know in it. No, no, we did Monty, he's the World War Two equivalent, but it's nowhere near as exciting. Horatio Nelson and also so much of our architecture, you know, is based around this period of history and yet it's just like
Horatio Gould 3:57
monumental architecture, I yeah. Yeah.
Fin Taylor 3:59
It's just names, right? And then you find out what he actually did and who he was. And fuck me.

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