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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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All right, here we go. This is the Live Fire Media Show, episode number 35. Your host, yeah, right. Your host and I are myself, Kawaka47, a.k.a. Dave from High Point. We have the always entertaining, usually FUD, Hunter Elliott. Woo! Always got to get time for that. And joining us tonight, returning, is Chad.
from my popular demand but what demand nobody will listen sure like tony simon and maybe a couple of people we got two emails asking where's chad well that's two more you got friends i don't want a friend slow you down that's all i agree i agree
So what's up, fellas? It's been a hot minute. Yeah, well, you know how it is. I'm kind of famous gun writer, big YouTuber. Oh, Jesus.
Chapter 2: How do the hosts introduce their trip to Gunsite?
Here we go. So I don't have time for.
Don't have time for all this. Yeah. Oh, well, in that case, we'll just have this. We'll just hang out. Yeah. Where'd it go? Oh, you'll put it on the bottom. No, no. I'll put it on the bottom. I'll move back to the spot. He's a power bottom anyway.
Hold on. I got to say my Premiere project. I got a lot of... Sorry.
No, no. I literally had a crash at work this week. And it wasn't Premiere. It wasn't Adobe. I mean, I had...
i had photoshop open in design bridge i think that was it but then like two chrome tabs and excel and some other work thing and the whole computer just like stopped i'm like really and it wasn't adobe it was it was chrome it was everything chrome wise the only i could access was the adobe shit i'm like well that's that's a first usually it's adobe riveting like what are you guessing oh go fuck yourself then
I can't be interested in your story without a bunch of fucking... That's just it.
You're not interested in it.
How do you know that could have been Ernest? I was like, oh my God, your computer froze?
Let's see. I know you well enough when you stand there and having your hand in your chest riveting.
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Chapter 3: What challenges do the hosts face with their firearms?
I'm trying to blank on the words here. Well, it's like this. I know I have to talk about it because it is a podcast. So, single action only. Gun's locked. Slide's locked to the rear. The trigger, see this? I can move it.
When I have that force reset bit in there, I cannot... That trigger, when I move it, is locked in position because of the action of the gun, the way it works on a Beretta, which I don't know if Beretta's well enough to explain it, but you have your trigger bar on the outside. I think I'll move when I drop the slide. Yeah. There's a little bit of movement forward, so the trigger bar's moving.
I don't want to say it inhibits, but... it's because this guy will just kick the trigger back out to reset it. But I kid you not, when I say this thing slaps your finger, your finger gets kind of sore because it's slapping you so much. And the hilarity of, we talk about how it's a gray area, dude, years ago, I shot, uh, it was called the industry masters. Um, I think FMG put it on.
We're obviously a bunch of manufacturers and professional shooters get together and we have a fun shoot. And the one year, a side match was put on by the US Olympic shooting team. And their 22s are electronic forced reset triggers. And so it's like, wait a minute. So mechanical ones versus electronic ones. What's the fucking difference?
Do you remember the Remington e-tonics? No. I might be mispronouncing that. It was the electrically actuated firing pin. Yeah. E-T-O-N-X. You pull the trigger and there was no linkages. That's what, when you talk, it made me think of that.
I can also say there's guys currently out there with a trigger. I think it's called the Digi Trigger. Um, it's AR only it's electronic trigger and grip and your fire control is all associated to it, but then you can set it to like buttons in the back of it, how you want to set it to do a reset.
And again, it's, it's another form of a FRT super safety, whatever, but again, it's electronically controlled. And I know that one's been on the market for a while. It's expensive. Like I want to say four or 500 bucks, if not more goes for nine, maybe, um, Um, but in my mind, I always thought that's gotta be kind of like the Olympic guns.
The fact that they are electronically forced reset triggers and they're amazing triggers. I remember shooting their guns. Like it was like feeling that thing reset, pulling up plate rack. It was like, this is nuts. This is wicked as shit. Like I could shoot stupid fast with it. The guy's like, yeah, well plate racks, when you get in lollipop things at 25 yards, it's about being accurate.
I'm like, no, no, no. I get it. I'm just thinking how fast you can shoot though with it resetting like that. And that was, dude, that was almost 15 years ago. you know, so I don't know a force reset in this thing. It's pretty fucking cool. And the biggest thing for me, honestly, it's just about turning this into a Robocop gun. Really? That's really what it's about.
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Chapter 4: What insights do the hosts share about training and firearm setup?
You have to get them through him. Sure, you can get the Chinese to make a copy of it and probably break after.
They steal everything.
They do. You come to think like the AR1s, I'm not saying you got to be super mechanically inclined, but you got to be comfortable with dicking around with the safety, you know, sometimes buffers and stuff. And I think dangerous hood rat elements. I don't think I'm screwing that shit. They just want to like throw in that Glock switch and go, but I could be wrong, man.
I don't know. Well, I mean, here's the thing. Eventually they're going to find they're not all on intelligent. Eventually they'll find one that can, can, you know, can, can do things and they'll do it for 20 or $30. It's, it's inevitable. You know, it's, Anything that is fun and exciting is going to be ruined by a group of people.
Sure.
They're going to take it too far.
Truth in that.
You know, I mean, we were all young. Yeah. You might find this hard to believe, but at one time I was fun and did do a few things. At one time? At one time.
Good night, honey. Oh, good night, sugar bear. Did you get out of here? What did he say? He said goodnight, sugar bear. As in that's your cue to go to bed.
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Chapter 5: What types of shooting positions are used at Gunsite?
It was kind of a windy little... You had different positions. You had to sit up in trees.
They had things marked where you would... Are you having to scan for targets left and right, or are they all primarily on one side?
On one of them, there was only on the left side, and then on the other two, you had to go left and right. No, left and straight. Left and straight. Yeah, like left, straight, and then maybe off a little bit. Okay. The military crest, you would have targets anywhere from five yards to 150 yards. And they would have like a place on the tree painted, and that was where you had to engage at. Okay.
And you had to engage every target you could see. So, you know, let's say you get to Station 2 and you engage. The steel targets are camouflaged.
Chapter 6: How does the military crest affect target engagement?
Right. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. So let's say you get to station three and you find three targets and you shoot them. When you're done, if there's any left, the instructor will tell you where they are. But then you go to station four. Some of the targets on station three, you make it engage from station four. Okay. And you better. Right. Um, if you can see it, hit it.
If you can see it, you got to shoot it. Yeah. And so, uh, it was probably 150, 200 yards, but you're, you're doing this, you're winding up and down and through. And, um, then they did what was called an outdoor simulator, which was, which was targets anywhere from like maybe three to 15, 20 yards. And you, you're just stalking. That's cool. Then we had a shoot house.
The first day we did the shoot house with blue guns.
Everybody was learning. And the Burna. The AR-15 with the Burna magazine and firing system in it.
Yeah, that's from... The Burna? No, but it's from another company. Um... Who makes that? The company is burning. No. Because I've got some of their stuff.
It's, uh... What do you... It's like shooting some munition or what?
No, you put the mag in and, um... I think you change the bolt and you could squeeze the trigger and it would reset the trigger every time.
Mantis.
Mantis, I'm sorry. You're right.
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Chapter 7: What are the benefits of using Curlex on firearms?
Now they, now they've got a pro like I didn't show up with knee pads. Good.
Don't. Yeah.
Elbow pads are one. I usually skip on, but yeah, I usually end up with scarred elbows, but knee pads though. Fuck dude. Knee pads make a huge difference. But you know, I bought a set of really nice knee pads at the pro shop for like 30 bucks.
Oh, shit. That's not bad at all. They're like the black knee pads with the thick plastic and the Velcro straps and all. I will say this for Gunsight. They have a new pro shop. It's about four times the size of the old one, but the stuff is reasonable. They don't have to get over a barrel and they don't charge tax.
Oh, shit. It's nice that it's not like a full MSRP shop.
It's like, oh, yeah, knee pads, $75 for one. I doubt they're... I mean, I'm sure they're making a little bit. Right. But the same knee pads I bought for $30, I've seen for like $65. Right. I mean, the cleaning kits and all were... They could be just getting stuff and selling like 5% of their cost.
Probably.
That's what I was saying.
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Chapter 8: How does Gunsite accommodate civilian training needs?
Most of that stuff is there. in case you get there and you're in a bind, yeah, you could get it and you're going to pay, you're going to buy cheaper than you could go out in town and get it. Right. So, you know, I think in that sense, gun sites trying to look out for you because if you do show up without something, they're not like, Oh, well, you know, we're our only option.
We got you $80 for, cause I'd have paid a damn $80 for knee pads.
Here's our cry precision, ultra tactical Navy seal knee pads, you know,
Yeah, and they had different models of knee pads, elbow pads. They had shooting glasses. And here's the wonderful thing. If you had something that went down or broke during training or you forgot something, the instructor would go to his truck and get it. Oh, shit. Here's a flashlight.
That happened a couple times.
We had a guy on the range. His red dot went down. Or just battery. Damn. Yeah. It, uh, Eric helped him diagnose it. It was, um, you know, the little, uh, on the battery, the negative spring, the little spring of like got broken and conquered in the contact below it and broke. Right. And the guy was like, every time I pull the trigger and shoot it, the red dot goes out and it comes back home.
Oh shit.
And then like halfway through that drill, it didn't come back home.
Oh, and he didn't have iron city. No, no. It pays to have iron. So that's, that's for sure.
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