Chapter 1: What topics are introduced in the beginning of the episode?
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Your hosts tonight are the always entertaining and sometimes FUD, Hunter of Range Hot. I would like to thank my mother and Jesus. That's different. I'm Quokka47, aka Dave from High Point, and returning is my buddy Nick, who was on when we did the Predator discussion. So let's talk some guns, some gear, some games, some movies, and more. What is up, gentlemen?
Happy Wednesday. Happy hump day.
Yeah, right. Fucking A. All right, so I want to kick it off with a really good question. Yeah, fucking, you better watch it. I will email you an ass-kicking. Oh, no. All right, what you got, Hunter? Go for it. So this is a hot-button topic here, and it ought to get some feathers ruffled. So, big thing, past two shot shows, pistol-caliber carbines.
Right now you're seeing them in all kinds of different configurations. I'm a fan. I'm a fan. One of the, one of the things that I have considered that make it a little more conducive to apply the reasoning of a pistol caliber carbine to one's load out easy on the term there. Sure. Sure. Is it, let's say for example, you carry a Glock 29 in 10 millimeter.
So then you're like, Hey, I want to have a carbine. Hang on. Is it Glock 29? Is that the real short, small one? Or is that the full size? That's the small one. Small. Okay. Yeah. I think they consider that a compact.
Yeah.
I'm not really.
You know what?
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Chapter 2: What are the benefits of pistol-caliber carbines?
Wait, is the lights off?
Yep. That's how I made myself invisible, and this is how I choose to stay. Well, have fun.
Okay.
All right, interruption of kid takeover.
Can I ask you a question, Dave?
No, you cannot ask me a question. You can continue with your monologue.
You're not asking me a question.
Shut up, shut up, shut up. Just be able to do this again. Oh, nice. Just muting for a little bit. It flips me off. All right, anyway, so what was it, Hunter, you were talking about PCCs? How is it a chud of a monologue? Okay, okay, okay, okay. So... You know, one of the selling factors is, oh, well, I carry a 10-millimeter handgun or whatever the case may be. Right.
And somebody's like, oh, I'm going to go out of town. I'm going on vacation. I'm going to go away from home a little bit. I want to carry a carbine with me. Let's boil down the logistical pipeline to the simplest common denominator, and we'll carry a carbine and a sidearm, same caliber. on the surface, it makes sense, right? Right. I agree with this. I do.
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Chapter 3: How does barrel length affect performance in firearms?
Right. And so the world, like the trends seem to be like, oh, and some guns are dumb and stupid. Now they're pointless. But they totally. Well, but there's been a trend like that. But they've also come back. They come back hardcore. Right. But there's also a misconception that everybody out there is rocking body armor. Everybody.
I don't think as many people are rocking body armor as we think there are. I mean, there's a lot more than there used to be. So, again, the rifle that's going to trump level three plates versus physical carbine is not. Or, you know, body armor is negated when you shoot them in the face. Very true. So, you know. Not if you can't hit it with a pistol like me.
Right, but that's when your carbine comes into play. So is it worth, you know, let's say your average. Okay, Dave, the high point 10 millimeter carbine is probably the most energetic carbine that y'all make. Would you agree with that? Sure. It puts more energy downrange than any other. Yes. Yes, because it's 10 millimeter in a rifle setup. Yeah.
So where do you feel like the effective range is for that? 150 yards? Man, I tend to take all PCs in general, especially if they're rifling barrel being 16 inches. Probably 150 yards maximum. I mean... And so now, here again, this is all hypothetical, you know, for any of the alphabet agencies listening to this. This dog just conjecture food for thought.
So, you know, you're like, well, I got my high point 10 millimeter pistol, and I'm going to take my high point 10 millimeter carbine with me because I want a carbine for the increased velocity and sight radius. Fair enough. But you're still petering out at 150 yards. Right. Whereas you're like, well, I'm going to carry two different types of ammunition.
I'm going to carry an 11.5-inch 5.56 SBR, which I know for beyond a shadow of a doubt is easily lethal out to 300 yards with a three-power LVPO or magnifier. And then not only is it going to put more energy downrange, it's going to be more accurate. It's going to be still – A more lethal package all the way around, but you're sacrificing ammunition commonality. Yeah, bang for the buck.
I'm going to say in the end, there is no definitive answer to this. Sure, of course not. Because like you said, you can create the scenario, but other variables like if I'm with my wife and kids, Granted, my oldest, my son's getting big enough now. He'll run an 115733AR. My wife, she has run that, but she'd probably be more comfortable with a 9mm PCC, you know, like my MP5 or that B&T.
Of course you had to bring that up. Why wouldn't I? I mean, oh, hey, do you have a handy? Oh, that's right there. There you go.
Oh, come on. You can't at least say that it's not pretty.
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Chapter 4: What are the considerations for using an AR as a home defense weapon?
What's the capacity of that B&T? 30. So you got 30 rounds of 9mm as compared to 30 rounds of 5.56. You're drastically undergunned. Right. And I think that the fact that you, but, but are you under gun depending on what you're coming up against? Really? Well, that's what I mean.
If it's some social chaos thing where like, you know, give yourself a governmental like failure and society's falling to shit and I got to get home. And catch up packets of currency? Yeah. That sub gun is going to be plenty of power to get my ass home. I'm going to wager every engagement before I even get myself into that sense where I'm firing.
But 5.56 is going to give you a larger margin of error. Yeah. Sure. I'm not going to argue that. I'm just going to say, I think your stance of being dead stop, I'm done carrying the PCC. That's cool. It's fine. I'm not saying I'm just done, but I don't think that the ammunition commonality convenience outweighs the increased lethality of ASPR.
I'll give you that.
Yeah.
Because I used to think, oh, great, I got a fucking .45, I got a 1911, and I got a .45 carbine. Then I just got to throw a couple boxes of ammo in my bag, and they go for both. But I'm like, why do I really need it to be common? Because I'm not going to be using my sidearm unless... And again, because you can always throw so many variables and changes to this shit.
You go back to the simple fact of what is the most popular rifle in caliber in this country? It's an AR and 5.56. Right. So you have that. You're always going to be fine.
So in a survival situation, you could probably scavenge a lot of that ammo.
Absolutely. Absolutely. Or if you carried a handgun and a carbine of two different calibers, you have doubled the odds of you finding something to put your, a bullet.
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Chapter 5: What are the pros and cons of using suppressors in home defense?
And now I'll say and defend your argument of suppressed in the house. Muzzle breaks in the house. No. Oh, you absolutely – No, no, Jesus, no. Day three, we were doing house clearing, and Dave Boddy was the instructor, and he come up to me at the end of the class. He goes, hey, Hunter, I think you're a pretty solid guy, man. You're doing good. He goes, do you think you could do me a favor?
I said, what's up, Dave? He goes, well, I'm the instructor for the house clearing. I said, could you please, please, pretty please put that fucking suppressor back on your rifle and don't run the brake in the shootout. I was like, come on, man. Don't be a pussy. You're wearing ears. No, because, come on, you know it's that god awful. Oh, yeah. No, I know.
I'm thinking, like, I ran a three-channel break on my ACR for years, and it's a 12.5. No, it's a 10.5, actually. And even doing just our makeshift shoe houses out of, like, the empty barrels, like 55-gallon drum barrels. Jesus, you get too close to those things, and, like, it rattles my ears. They're going, oh, my God. I'm like, yeah, it's pretty obnoxious.
I was running a, I was running a Michelin comp on a seven and a half inch SBR. Oh my God. Yeah. It was fucking, I love that. I mean, that break is dope, but if you're, if you're not the shooter, that break is atrocious. Yeah. Yeah. It's for real. Yeah.
What do you guys think about this? I pulled this up. It says the 20 inch barrel maximizes the five, five, six NATO cartridges potential yielding higher muzzle velocity. That would be an argument for a longer AR, right? I mean, I, Maybe not the recoil.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of barrel length in AR-15 performance?
Well, the other thing, too, you do a 20-inch AR, dude, they have no recoil. They are so stupid flat. They just stop as they are. It's awesome. And that's because of the rifle length gas system, right? Right. So here's the deal. One would think, but actually, no. And I know this firsthand because I shot gel with it and was thoroughly surprised by my results. No, on what part? Lethality?
What are you talking about? The lethality of the round. Okay, okay. I'd say the flat shooting, I'm like, dude, bullshit. They are flatter shooting. Right, because they're faster. Because they're rifle-length gas. And it's a longer barrel and it builds up more velocity. Are you talking about flatter shooting this way or the bullet's trajectory? No, no, I'm talking your recoil impulse. Oh, okay.
Yeah, like a dissipator.
Chapter 7: How does bullet performance vary with different barrel lengths?
So it's a 16-inch gun, rifle-length gas. It's stupid flat, too. Right, right, right. But ballistically, you're saying the 20-inch ballistics is not that much more? No, no, it is. But... So when you go from 16 to 11.5 to 7.5, you're losing anywhere between 300 to 500 feet a second. Right. Now... 5.56 ball ammo is not great performing regardless of what barrel length you're using.
It doesn't expand. It may tumble a little bit. It may bend. But it really doesn't do anything spectacular. However, the Hornady 55 grain VMAX in a 16-inch gun is abysmal. Because it's going so fast when it hits that fucking gel within about six or seven inches, it's exploded. Now, it would vaporize a fucking prairie dog. And I'm sure if you shoot somebody with it, it's going to fuck them up.
But when I went to... 11 and a half and seven and a half. It slowed that V max down so much. Then instead of impacting and exploding, it actually opened up like a jacket, a hollow point, and it penetrated twice as deep. And it, and, and it actually performed significantly better at slower velocities because instead of acting like a vomit round exploding, right.
It actually opened up like a jacket, a hollow point. That's pretty slick. So, you know, for your defensive round, unless you're a space cop, the 55-point VMAX out of a little SBR is fucking devastating. Oh, and the frangible bit, too. I looked it up. Yeah, it's roughly a dollar a shot, basically. Boxes, if you're on boxes, and they were like $43 to $49 a box for 50. But let me ask you this, Dave.
What do you reckon that damn airtight skin cost the government to build that's keeping your air in? Trillions. It's worth $50 for some Frange. I'm just saying, not in the future, using Frangeable in our houses, though. I know. At the same time, too, it's like defensive ammo. You're going to pay more money for defensive ammo. If you need to borrow a little money, just fucking tell me.
I just don't run a 5.56 with my house gun. I get that. I don't fault you for it.
um but i'm saying that's that's the case in the suburbs like nick and iran yeah plan is plan to spend a dollar a shot which you do on handgun defensive ammo anyways it's like a dollar a shot right so what's the big deal you spend 50 bucks for 50 rounds yeah you should shoot a couple of them through your gun and make sure it runs fine and then yeah if your bedside gun is an ar keeps on that frangible shit in it but most frangibles they're like 45 grain i believe and they're the same
They're the same external shape as like a 55 grain full metal jacket. Okay. So there's, I mean, I agree. You're saying it's going to run more or less. You're right.
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Chapter 8: What factors influence the effectiveness of YouTube channels for gun content?
If you're going to shoot frangible, you want to run a few mags through it to make sure. I wouldn't test anything new without running it first. Exactly. But, you know, because it is almost the same shape as a 55-grain full metal jacket, it's got a little bit of a weirder cut at the meat plait, but that never touches the feed ramp anyway. It's your bearing surface riding on the feed ramp.
So it should run well. Absolutely. Trust and verify on that. Always, always test fire your defensive ammo shit. Always. And rotate that shit.
You mean I shouldn't just load it and put it in the dresser and leave it there for 10 years and never ride through my gun? The best way to do it... When I hear the bump in the night and completely fucking drop everything and let my family die? I shouldn't do that?
The best way to do it is when you buy the gun Just come home and put it under your bed. When you hear the bump in the night, dig that sumbitch out, cut it open, open the box, and you'll be like, all right, now what? I'll tell you one better. Yeah.
When I hear the bump in the night, I'm going to order it on Amazon. Yeah, be like, one gun, please. Can I get that in prom? A lot of people on AR15.com are saying that 12.5 is the ideal length. However, most of the other people are saying things like 20 inches like the good Lord intended. Let it be all that it can be. I thought that was an interesting way to say that.
Here's the thing about AR15.com, man. This will be good. It's literally like, which septic tank am I going to go skinny dipping in? It's going to be worse than Reddit. Come on. When's the last time you've been to AR50.com? It's been a long time. It's a fucking – it's a safety tank, man. It's a fucking safety tank of people. Now, am I all-knowing? Yeah.
There's some pretty great stuff in here, you guys. But, I mean, you know, let me tell you how stupid people are, okay? I got to tell you how fucking stupid people are. I did a short a number of years ago about why the 1911 was not designed around cock and lock. I carry cock, lock, red and lock like John Browning designed it. No, that's fucking bullshit.
I'm like, look, because when John Browning designed the fucking 1911, it didn't even have a fucking thumb safety on it. The U.S. Army said, hey, Can you facilitate a way where if the cavalryman needs to regain control of his horse, he can safely holster the gun? And then that's when John Browning induced the fucking thumb safety.
So anywho, so then I proceeded to go into the conditions that Colonel Cooper set out. based on condition one through five of how the 1911 can be. This is how the 1911 can exist. Condition one through five. God jumps on there in my comments. You're an idiot. You're going to get somebody killed. Okay. I was like, okay, dude, you know, you're some random guy on YouTube, whatever.
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