Canada Pt II with Liz Plank
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Why does David feel the need to apologize for his first Canada episode?
David?
Hey, Rosabelle. How are you? I'm
good. How are you?
I'm good. I'm calling for some advice.
About Alan?
Not about Alan. Not about the dog. He's the least of my problems right now. Oh,
my goodness.
I'm just wondering if you've ever done something wrong and people are kind of calling for your blood on the streets. You don't know if you need to apologize, but maybe you do need to apologize. I
feel anxious just thinking about this. I think I live a lot of my life trying to avoid this exact situation. And yes, that has happened to me. And it is always hard to know because I think you're initially quite defensive before being able to listen.
I think I'm in the defensive.
Are you being cancelled?
Yeah, I'm being cancelled by Canada at the moment.
Oh, because what did you do this time?
I did an episode about Canada, but I only went to Toronto, and I got confused and thought I was in Vancouver, and then most of the episode ended up being about therapy clowns.
What do you mean you thought you were in Vancouver?
Because we record the episode quite a long time after I record the doc, I sometimes, details get a bit blurry, and I thought I'd gone to Vancouver. Oh.
That's really good,
yeah. But yeah, like, what's the deal? Is it best just to take it and apologize, or should I get really defensive and stick to my guns?
Well, it's good to think about why people are hurt and offended, and if you think it's a fair reason, then maybe it is worth apologizing. Do you think Ed Sheeran should apologize?
I think Ed Sheeran should apologize. Yes. I think he's got, I mean, he's putting me in the same camp as
Ed
Sheeran in this situation because things are really escalating. I'm starting to panic now.
You know, he probably thinks he's doing the right thing.
Yeah. I mean, what we need to do, we need to, me and Ed, we need to swallow our pride, don't we?
Exactly.
And do the right thing.
You've hurt an equal amount of people. It's the same level of offense.
Jesus. Yeah, look, I'm gonna swallow my pride. What I'm gonna do, I'm gonna get a little bit of my anger and perspective out there, and then I'm going to swallow my pride and listen.
Why are you angry?
I'm angry that people are angry at me. I get very defensive. Because I did do a badness, and I know why people are coming out to me, but I also still feel like people shouldn't be mad at me because I'm innocent. I'm just an innocent man, you know?
But, you know, your intention doesn't matter. It's the impact, the outcome.
Now that, Rosabelle, you don't often do this, but that is a bit of wisdom you've just dropped.
Some people might disagree, but I think that's where that defensiveness comes in because often people are just doing their best and then other people are like, that's actually not good enough. And both things are true. People are always doing their best and sometimes that isn't good enough. It's hard.
I'm David Farrier, and New Zealand are accidentally marooned in America. Not Canada, America. And I want to figure out what makes this country tick. Now, if I could summarize the feedback to last week's episode, titled Canada, it would be that of extreme anger. Michaela summed it up by saying, David, I'm a Canadian, and you're going to have to do a redo on the episode. Canada is a huge and diverse country with amazing landscapes, people, food, culture, outdoor activities, and you didn't even scratch the surface. Sadly. I love this podcast, but this was a miss. P.S. I've never seen a bag of milk in my life. To which I say, Michaela, balls, balls, balls. I think you've mistaken Flightless Bird for the Wikipedia page on Canada.
Also, you've never seen a milk bag? I think that probably makes me more of a Canadian than you are, Michaela. On the other hand, I understand why people are mad. People wanted to learn about the nuances of Canada, and all you ended up with was a therapy clown and me prattling on about American-Canadian hybrid babies. Plus, I thought I'd visited Vancouver instead of Toronto. Unforgivable and punishable by death. Strew me up by my feet, hang me upside down out of a window, and slice my guts open so my bowels splatter all the streets below while Fightless Bird listeners cheer and celebrate.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why does David feel the need to apologize for his first Canada episode?
0:03–10:30
2
How does Liz Plank describe the everyday things that make Canada different from the U.S.?
10:30–20:13
3
What cultural quirks (e‑transfers, bagged milk, maple‑scented money) do the hosts highlight?
20:13–28:29
4
Why do the hosts say Quebec feels distinct from the rest of Canada?
28:29–38:09
5
How do the hosts compare Canadian attitudes toward kindness, feminism, and parental leave?
38:09–45:47
6
What role do nature and outdoor activities (Banff, ice‑lake swims) play in Canadian identity?
45:47–53:05
7
Why is hockey described as a core part of Canadian culture?
53:05–1:00:28
8
What future Canada‑focused topics (potholes, sugar shacks, Celine Dion) do the hosts plan to explore?
1:00:28–1:10:54