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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey, man. Hi, Hayden, my little fried chicken wing. Yeah. My little drumstick. Wing or drumstick? I think you're more of a drumstick than a chicken wing. You're bigger, you know, more solid. I would say a wing is a bit bigger than a drumstick. Drumstick's a tasty little morsel. You do feel a bit drumsticky. I'll take that. I accept that. That's probably the nicest thing I've ever said to you.
Hey, now there's some controversy going on. I was calling Rosabelle before, and I mentioned that you're having a birthday party in New Zealand that I also might be attending. And Rosabelle said to me, what party? Is this really the forum that you want to negotiate this? And David, this feels very public. I've told her about the party, yeah. Oh, what? But you haven't said that she can come.
I've said that she can. Yeah, I said, of course you're invited. We're all friends. Oh, for God's sake. Oh, now I'm going to have to sort this out. Look, me and Roosevelt have some beef going on about who's the favorite. Well, look, I'm going to leave that with you to sort out because at the moment it's a real disaster.
Well, look, speaking of disasters, this episode is about the Titanic and Americans that are particularly obsessed with the Titanic disaster, alternate theories of what happened, etc. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on the Titanic sinking. Yeah, I don't think it happened. Yeah, that's made up. That's a made up thing so that... James Cameron could sell movie tickets.
Are there any survivors of the Titanic or like family members who might get mad at me for saying this? My God, you're really swinging for the fences. Usually you're such a voice of reason in this podcast. And I feel like today you're really swinging in a different direction. there's only so long that you can stay buttoned up. You just got to fully commit to one conspiracy theory.
There's a really good one that actually the Titanic wasn't the Titanic. It was this, the sister ship that looked exactly the same. And so it wasn't really the Titanic, uh, To be honest with you, David, I think the Titanic did sink, but there's a compelling case to be made that it was actually the sister ship and it was all a fake and it was a stand-in.
And if people want to believe that, then honestly go ahead because there are so many horrible conspiracies that you can believe in these days. But this one feels like a very low-stakes fun one. Between not inviting Rosabelle to your birthday and the Titanic sinking, what would you sort of say is the bigger disaster?
I'd say what is more likely, the Titanic didn't sink or Rosabelle comes to my birthday. And in this one, I'd say the Titanic didn't sink. I'm David Farrier, New Zealander accidentally marooned in America, and I want to figure out what makes this country tick.
Now, way back in 1912, 114 years ago, if my maths is correct, the Titanic hit an iceberg and sunk approximately 1,200 miles northeast of New York City. Look, you probably know the story. We've all seen the film. The RMS Titanic was a British ocean liner on its maiden voyage, setting off from Southampton, England to New York City. There were 2,208 people on board and around 1,500 died.
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Chapter 2: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Okay.
But we both had crushes on girls. And I remember when the painting scene came on, we both were like, we can't, out of loyalty to our crushes, we cannot look at Kate Winslet's
you can't look naked breasts which i think may have been the first time i had seen i feel like in a movie because it was because it was pg-13 and but it was a historical movie so i feel like parents it was like the passion passion the christ was the similar kind of thing at least in my household where Don't remember any sex scenes in Passion of the Christ.
To where the rating was beyond what we would have normally been allowed to see, but because of the subject matter, my parents made an exception.
Passion of the Christ is such a funny reference. In New Zealand, and it might be the same case here in the States, churches rallied to bring the rating down so that they could take the church kids to see it. Was it PG only? No, it was a decent rating. It was like an R16 in New Zealand. It was restricted.
Yeah, because it was fairly violent.
It was a man being tortured hideously. So the church has got the rating lowered so that younger people could go and watch it, which is deranged to me. So I'm thinking about the first breasts I would have seen on camera. It was either, it would have been James Bond, which was just on all the time, I feel like, and it might have been there. On TV, though? No, it wouldn't have been TV.
Yeah, because they wouldn't have shown that on TV. Good point. They would have had a censored version. So my memory, my first memory of Breasts pre-Titanic was the science fiction film that I remember renting it. Or maybe my older brother renting it for me off the shelf. I remember the cover. Species...
Natasha Henstridge, she was a sexy sort of woman that would turn into a horrific alien when she would mate with men. So she'd have sex with them and then she'd shoot out a big alien tongue and it would kill the men. But she would seduce them first. And I remember that is so severely in my brain, that movie. Um, so that was pre Titanic for me, I believe. I do like that.
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Chapter 3: Why do some Americans remain obsessed with the Titanic?
It came out in 95.
Titanic was 97. Okay. I do like that our association with Titanic, which this episode, most people's, is the fear that came from this tragedy. Yeah, there's this obsession with this disaster. But for us, it's Kate Winslet.
It was. And I think for a lot of people, it would have been, probably. That was such a scene, I think. Yeah. Anyway.
but moving on from such juvenile recollections of um what we took from titanic i don't have a huge interest in it which is why when i decided to sort of meet these people that were deeply invested in the story and are still freaked out by it right i mean that's surprising to me i did not know that this existed still that there was a group of people that are still concerned
It's a worry for them.
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Chapter 4: What are the alternate theories surrounding the Titanic sinking?
1912 is a long time ago. There are a lot of other... Terrible things that have happened since then. ...clear and present dangers everywhere facing us. Yeah, that are maybe more dangerous. Yes. And are these just people that frequent cruises? Because... Fairly easy to also not end up in a situation like this.
That's the thing. It's not like we are commonly on massive ships. It's not a huge thing. One quick fact check, because Hayden was deeply worried that he was going to offend survivors of the Titanic disaster. There are no Titanic survivors still alive. Last survivor, Milvina Dean, passed away in 2009, age 97. A ripe old age. Amazing. If I lived in 97, I'll be so happy.
She was two months old when the ship sank in 1912. She lived. Crazy.
Youngest passenger on board. It was a long time ago. You'd be very old if you were still alive.
It'd be insane. So Hayden, you haven't offended anyone, which is good. In 1912, it collided with an iceberg, damaging the hull's plates below the waterline on the starboard side, causing the front compartments to flood. It sank for two hours. In 40 minutes, 1,496 fatalities as a result of drowning or hypothermia.
I mean, it was a very culturally significant movie, at least in America. Back to the movie? Yeah, back to the movie. It was big. James Cameron. And just like, I have very visceral memories of watching that on the big screen too, happening.
I mean, I'm a big James Cameron guy. I mean, as a bit of side trivia, he lives in New Zealand now on an organic farm, which is kind of an interesting bit of just not where I'd expect him to end up.
And you're going back to New Zealand. You're going to try to track him down to have a conversation with him about your next job at that farm?
Probably not. He was on a flight on my plane. He was way at the front of the plane. I was sort of mid-back of the plane, but I saw him boarding for New Zealand. I'm a big fan of his. Titanic, obviously, Terminator. Oh my God, Aliens. Avatar, not so much. But hey, the other bit of sort of information on the Titanic that I find interesting, of course, is the Titanic submersible.
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