Founder's Story
The Founder Who Turns Your Body Heat Into Healing Light: 'It Goes 2 Inches Deep' | Ep 295 with Seth Casden Founder of Hologenix
29 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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So Seth, always great to connect with you again. I was super happy that I got to meet you, what feels like a lifetime ago, right? I think it was almost a year ago. And when I heard about what you were doing, I was like, oh my gosh, I need that. Like I've been looking for that for a long time. And that was specifically the pillow and what you were creating.
But you are combining health and wellness through textiles. And I have to understand, how did you even get into that?
Yeah, well, thanks for having me on, Daniel. It's great to reconnect with you also. And yeah, it's those kinds of responses when people hear about our technology that motivate me and get me out of bed every day. When I first heard about it, the inventor, David Hornick, he's a friend of mine. And
I was just fascinated by the intersection of physical science, human, you know, human physiology, and also what natural occurring minerals can do. And then looking at how to improve and optimize the body and being a triathlete and really loving to be outdoors and wanting to live a long time being a dad, you know, you're always looking for how to optimize your body. And, uh,
you know, have a good, healthy life. And when you look at what we do in our technology, we're basically delivering health and wellness to the body through textiles, through everyday apparel and bedding and sleep products. So it's been a great journey. And I think the science is really there now.
And we're seeing people that get introduced to the technology having a similar response as you just had.
Can you tell me more about how does the technology work and what have you seen?
Yeah, of course. So really, we're all batteries. We're giving off about 100 watts of energy every second, just having this conversation. And that energy goes into the environment and it's basically lost. And so what Celliant does is it's found a way to harness that. We capture that heat and the minerals naturally convert heat to light.
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Chapter 2: How does Celliant technology convert body heat into healing light?
And so when you when you started using this, I imagine you must have seen a difference. Or maybe someone that you know had also seen a difference. But what type of things did you start to see? And I was reading a lot about recovery and sleep, performance. I think, like you said, the biohacking is maybe those three things are the things that everybody wants to achieve.
And especially us as entrepreneurs who work like 24-7, we many times neglect those things.
Yeah. And for me personally, I had a bristow procedure on my shoulder and had to have a rod put in and a cleat and using cellulite as a wrap and as like an insulation around the scar. I could really actually feel and perceive the increase in circulation blood flow. I was on the short end of the healing spectrum. My doctor, you know, thought I had
healed very quickly relative to what the average is. I also had some incredible experiences around animals with horses, dogs, and cats, you know, where there's no placebo effect. They don't really, you know, have anyone to kind of bias them and seeing how they interact around the product was also very compelling.
And then, yeah, you know, friends, you know, people have bad knee that taken a leave every day and wear a salient knee brace and don't need the leave or, um, you know, people that are arthritic, um, dogs that, you know, have bad hips and then they start walking better.
So, you know, those are all individual cases, but collectively and with the science, it starts to make a pretty compelling, you know, paint a pretty compelling picture.
It's something I need. I really need to get the pillow. Like I really, really need to get, I need the brace. I got bad knees. I got, my knees are like Rice Krispie treats.
Yeah, it's great what you're saying about the pillow, because when we go to sleep, that's really the longest period we have for recovery. And it turns out that the only time the brain can really recover is when it's turned off, when it's asleep. And so increasing circulation while you're sleeping really provides a wonderful benefit for restorative sleep and waking up feeling your best.
I think that's the biggest thing I struggle with. I woke up last night at maybe 3.45 a.m. And I don't know if I even went back to sleep after that. It's definitely one of those things. And then I started looking at my phone. I do like all the worst habits that I'm trying to change. When you went into this model, I believe you were looking at licensing.
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Chapter 3: What early challenges did infrared science face in gaining acceptance?
Uh, We see founders who exit or they raise money and their company is taken over and they're kicked out of their own company, which is always quite sad. But I imagine if you can disassociate yourself, you know that, okay, I can just go do something else at this point versus never letting it go.
Yeah, that's not a perspective I've always had, but it's certainly, as I sit here today, the one I have.
So where do you see the future of just for yourself when you look at, okay, what do you want to do with the company? Do you look at things in terms of, I want to hold a company for a legacy, for... pass it down through generations. I want to exit the company. I want to advise companies. I want to invest. I want to do a new company.
How do you look at things for the future when it comes to business for you?
It's something I've wrestled with and think about from time to time, certainly when you're out fundraising. I think for me, I don't have a predisposition. I try not to have an expectation and that tends to keep you open to more possibilities. To the extent somebody else comes along and sees the same value that I see, explore that.
If nobody ever comes along and sees it as valuable as I do, then I'll probably just keep doing it myself. And, you know, you end up offering friends and family and friends of friends help as the more experience I have and the more value I can offer. Then I don't know if it'll ever be formalized in a consulting role or not.
But, you know, certainly gathered a lot of a lot of life experience on this journey and a wide variety of experience, you know, supply chain and business development and globally and the width of products that we make that have our technology and all of the science behind it and the regulatory work. And there's a lot of different touch points this company has
So, you know, all of that experience just makes makes for a little bit better sense of purpose, I guess, and provides a little more clarity as I get older. And so far, just reinforce that I'm doing the right thing and feel good about it. So, you know, try and stay open with the future holds and and take what's in front of me and evaluate it as it comes. I like the approach.
I think that can make for a healthy approach because you just never know what's going to come. Back in 2018, somebody had offered to buy one of the companies that we had. And I was quite insulted because at the time, I didn't realize that you should probably sell if you get the chance to at a high note. And then within a year, that company no longer existed. So that was a learning moment for me.
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