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The Outsourcing Trap: Why Most Founders Do It Wrong (Until It Nearly Breaks Them) || Ep 287 with Nicolas Bivero CEO & Co-Founder of Penbrothers

04 Dec 2025

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Nicolas Bivero, CEO & Co-Founder of Penbrothers, breaks down the biggest misconceptions founders have about outsourcing and reveals why global teams only succeed when built with intention, clarity, and cultural intelligence. With 20+ years scaling ventures across Asia — including nearly a decade building companies for a 170-year-old Japanese multinational — Nicolas shares the hidden realities of building distributed teams, the human challenges behind remote work, and the mindset required to retain world-class talent at scale. Key Discussion Points: Nicolas explains how outsourcing has shifted from “cheap labor abroad” to a strategic superpower — but only for founders who truly understand the roles they’re hiring for and the cultural dynamics that go with them. He stresses why outsourcing fails when founders just want “a warm body,” and why clarity, structure, and expectations matter more than cost savings. Nicolas details the Hypercare Framework — bridging cultural gaps between founders and Filipino talent — and how companies collapse when they underestimate the human side of remote work. He also shares his early career story: moving to Japan for martial arts, unexpectedly joining a Japanese corporation, and being the only foreigner in the entire company with zero guidance on day one. That journey eventually brought him to the Philippines, where he discovered extraordinary untapped talent and built Penbrothers into a 5,000+ team operation. Nicolas opens up about the challenges of scaling — from lacking coworking spaces in 2014 to handling remote teams across far-flung islands — and how weak infrastructure, power outages, and typhoons create real-world obstacles most founders never plan for. Takeaways: Outsourcing only works when founders understand the role, the expected outcomes, and the cultural nuances required to onboard talent effectively. Without clarity, remote teams fail quickly. With the right partner, global hiring becomes a competitive advantage — unlocking better skills, better time-zone coverage, and a better cost structure. Nicolas emphasizes that Filipino talent is deeply underestimated globally; behind the stereotypes lies a diverse, highly educated workforce capable of powering some of the world’s fastest-growing companies. He also highlights a bigger mission: how creating meaningful, well-paid jobs in the Philippines can change entire families and communities for generations — allowing people to stay home, avoid migration, and build a life with dignity and opportunity. Closing Thoughts: Nicolas Bivero’s story is a reminder that global teams succeed not because of cost, but because of culture, clarity, and long-term commitment. Outsourcing is not a shortcut — it’s a strategy, and when done right, it transforms not only companies, but lives. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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