Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. For over three decades, beloved humorist David Sedaris has chronicled the absurdities of modern life, including his own. He got his start writing about his short tenure at Macy's as Crumpet, a Santa Land elf, in an essay titled The Santa Land Diaries.
When he first read the essay on NPR's Morning Edition back in 1992, it generated more tape requests than any other story in the show's history to that point and turned him into an overnight sensation. He's since published several best-selling collections of personal essays, been awarded the Thurber Prize for American Humor, and was inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Letters in 2019.
His latest book of personal essays, The Land and Its People, casts Sedaris in several roles. Devout brother, itinerant traveler, grieving friend, and reluctant caretaker. Sedaris, who is now 69, writes, I'm in the hard part of getting old, the part where everything irritates you. The easy part comes a little later, when my short-term memory disappears.
David Sedaris spoke with guest interviewer Sam Fregoso, host of the interview podcast Talk Easy.
David Sedaris, welcome back to Fresh Air. Thank you so much, Sam. Your latest collection of essays, The Land and Its People, are pieces you've been reading on tour around the country, I think, for the last four or five years. Does performing these pieces in front of an audience help you make them better? Sure. Yes, the audience is my first editor, and they tell me everything I need to know.
One of the new pieces I wrote, I was talking about how frustrating it is to be in line behind someone who's buying lottery tickets. I just hate it when you get there, and then the person in front of you is like, no, that's 19-3-3-6. On my deathbed, I'm going to want all that time back that I spent standing behind people buying lottery tickets.
And when the audience, let's say, for instance, when they cough, they tell me that I need to cut whatever it is that I'm reading.
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Chapter 2: What insights does David Sedaris share about his writing process?
Or, you know, of course, when they laugh, that's fantastic. But I don't mind a groan. A collective groan is fine with me. you know, that kind of horrified sound. That's all fine with me. I mean, there are different laughs, too. You know, there's a laugh of shock, and there's a laugh of recognition, and there's a laugh that says, I shouldn't be laughing at this, but look, I am.
So... And I can gauge them. You know, I've just been doing this for so long. I can gauge it. And then, like... Sometimes if you have, well, try it again next time, I said, and then you change it to, I said, try it again next time, then it'll work. So if I have the opportunity to have the audience in front of me, I don't want to read anything the same way twice in a row.
I want to take the opportunity to change that word repeatedly. There's something I'm working on. I've been reading out loud, and it's a crow, and it would be the name of a crow, right? Like, I determine the crow's name. And so I thought... I've been going with Scott, but then I changed it to... And Scott gets a huge laugh. And then I tried, oh, Thomas. Thomas would work.
And then I tried Thomas, and it got nothing. Why is Scott... a good name for a crow and Thomas not. I can't tell you, but it's interesting to swap that out every night. When you're out of town and you're away from Hugh, does your writing routine change at all when you're in all these different cities? Are you waking up every morning and getting to the page? What's the process?
Well, when I'm at home, I get up and I go right to my desk. But when I'm traveling, I just have to write when I can find the time, right? So I usually get up first thing in the morning. But see, I have a lot of little... I had one crazy thing that I had to do every day, and now I have two, right? What are they? So I have to walk 10 miles a day, and then I have to do Duolingo.
I have to be in the top three in the Diamond League, right? David, hold on for one second. When you say have to, what do you mean by that? I mean the world will spin off of its axis, and everybody will die if I don't do this, right? I can tell myself that's it. I'm not doing this anymore. But I can't stop. So it's a lot. So I have to write and I have to do those things. So when I'm on tour...
Let's say I get back to the room. I've signed books. I get back to the room at one o'clock in the morning. And then someone's taking me to the airport at seven o'clock in the morning. Well, then maybe I have to get up at five o'clock in the morning. And then I can usually walk like, I don't know, three, four miles in the airport. And sometimes I can walk in the
Uh, but I still need to get a bunch of steps in before we leave for the airport. So, you know, and then sometimes you're in a city and you don't really know the city very well and it's dark, you know, so you're walking around the hotel around and around, you know, just that block. Or sometimes you see that you're going to have time later in the afternoon, so you can kind of parse it out.
But I have writing to do, and I have Duolingo, and I have the walking to do. So it's a lot. What languages are you reading and saying aloud? German and Spanish and French and Japanese. That's a lot.
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Chapter 3: How does performing in front of an audience influence Sedaris's work?
I mean, every now and then, let's say if I go to Australia... A time difference will cause me to lose a day every now and then. But, oh my goodness, the thought of not doing that. Boy, again, the earth would just spin off of its axis. Can you explain to people what Duolingo Max is? And then I want to read a little bit from the book. Sure. Duolingo is a language learning program.
And I don't know how... I don't recall how many languages they teach, but it's an awful lot of languages, right? And it's an owl as a main figure, and then there are a number of animated characters that you learn from.
And sometimes you have to write a sentence in whatever language it is, and sometimes you just have to read a sentence, and sometimes you're given all the words and you have to arrange them into a sentence or... And then they opted to Duolingo Max. And in Duolingo Max, you have conversations with an AI entity that remembers things about you. So like yesterday, I told her I was coming here today.
So maybe today she'll ask how Los Angeles went. And did I go shopping and what did I buy when I was in Los Angeles? Because I told her yesterday I was going to go shopping. And then afterwards, you have a conversation, and then afterwards, there's a transcription of your conversation, and all of your mistakes are underlined and explained, which I think is pretty great.
It's like taking a test and having it immediately graded. Well, let's take a listen to one exchange you had with one of those AI avatars. This is from the chapter, Say It Like You Mean It. Answer, I would like butter and eggs, please. And the rest of the conversation follows the path you might expect. Anything else, she asks. But answer, yesterday a doctor cut out my tongue with a chainsaw.
And white dots will fluctuate above her animated image. This is her AI mind telling her, quick, say something. Tell him you're sorry about the tongue. Then ask if he wants to purchase something to drink instead. Surprisingly, on that occasion, she responded, I'm sorry, I cannot continue this conversation. Goodbye. She hung up again when I shared my idea for a new production of Romeo and Juliet.
In it, she will be 13 and he will be 78, I told her in French. In the Shakespeare version, he kills himself with a poison drink, but in mine, he will die of natural causes. Click. A week before arriving at the beach, I told her about the protest I had passed in New Hampshire. I am mad because my stupid, stupid president is a sausage, I'd said.
He cut the money for the radio and TV shows where women wear a bonnet. Let's talk about something else, she suggested, clearly uncomfortable. You seem to really enjoy messing with the bot. And I'm sure you've read there are so many new reports coming out about people using these AI bots as a stand-in for therapy, which I know you only did once back in the late 80s. I think it was in Chicago.
And I wondered, in the same way that you tried to get your therapist to like you, do you want to be liked by the AI? It is pathetic how much I want Lily. She's a very sarcastic teenage girl. She's the one you have the conversations with. You can't choose who you have them. It's just her. And it means so much to me that she likes me. Do you have concerns?
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Chapter 4: What daily routines does David Sedaris follow while touring?
Well, they didn't mind it because they have good senses of humor, but then I found out you're only a spinster up until the age of 25. After that, you're called a thornback. Well, that's just not right. And a thornback is a bottom-feeding, skate-like fish. No. And, you know, I read something about that on stage, and a woman came, a British woman, and said, I'm actually the one who...
She repopularized that term. She was like a historian and she found that this was the term and she wrote an essay about it. And then I don't know if I read that essay or if I read something that referred to it. But yeah, they're thornbacks. But genuinely, you know, I think you got married almost 10 years ago. Was any part of that hard to keep a secret? Not at all. And it didn't bother Hugh? No.
It bothered Hugh because Hugh's not a liar. So Hugh would just have to change the subject. So that's what he would do when people would say, are you and David married? He would find some way to say, how long have you been married? So he's relieved now that he can tell people about it. But nobody came to me and said, I can't believe it.
I thought we were friends, and here you've been married 10 years, and you didn't tell me. Because to me, it doesn't mean anything. Like, I never think of Hugh as my husband. I mean, I don't want to be with anybody else, and we've been together for a long time, and I adore him, you know, but it doesn't mean anything to me to be married to him.
We're listening to the interview guest interviewer Sam Fragosa recorded with writer David Sedaris, who has a new collection of personal essays titled The Land and Its People. Sam is the host of the interview podcast Talk Easy. We'll hear more of their conversation after a break. I'm Terry Gross, and this is Fresh Air.
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Chapter 5: What role does Duolingo play in Sedaris's life?
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You know, some people have suggested that the veracity of your stories, because they include your past and they're about your past, that the dialogue can be so brilliant and kind of well-written in a way that no one ever truly speaks. And I know you keep endless diary entries and you have all that.
But I'm curious because the last time you were on this show, you said your father was, quote, not a good person, but he was a great character. Do you think of people as characters first and people second? No, I think of them as people, but then if I'm writing an essay, I think of them as characters. Because if you're on the page, you're a character. When you're in real life, you're a person.
Hugh is a good character. My sister Gretchen, I adore my sister Gretchen. She's not a good character. She's a great person. And I have friends who are great people, but not great characters. And it doesn't have anything to do with being dynamic. Maybe it's a degree of confidence that makes somebody a good character. What do you mean? Like confident people. Confident people always have my ear.
Even if I don't agree with them or even if I think their confidence is... or that they're fooling themselves, right? It doesn't matter. It gets me to sit up straight and it gets me to listen. And I think I'm probably not alone in that. You can kind of hypnotize. A confident person can hypnotize the people around him or at least can get them to listen, you know?
And I love the combination of somebody who's just a horrible person but just brimming with confidence and just certain that they're right in all situations. I mean, my dad was like that. Never, never, ever showed any doubt in regard to anything. And, you know, I didn't agree with him, and I didn't want to be him, but it made him a good character. Was the Pope a good character?
Speaking of someone in power who you've listened to speak? I don't know, because I don't... follow him. I was invited to Rome to meet the Pope, right? The Pope that died last year. But I didn't ever follow him. I'm not religious and I'm not Catholic and I don't know what his views were. I don't know. I mean, I just shook his hand. It took two seconds. But He wasn't compelling to me.
He didn't command the room. That was interesting to me, right? He didn't fill the room. And I don't know if that had to do with his age or his frailty. I mean, we were at the Vatican and we were in some room that people normally don't get to go into. And the costumes were unbelievable.
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