Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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I'm Tanya Mosley. Today we continue our end-of-the-year retrospective featuring some of our favorite interviews of 2025, including this one, which was recorded in October. College is often a time to figure out who we are, to fall in love for the first time, to experiment, to fail, to question what we believe. But for Malala Yousafzai, it was different.
She spent her college years experiencing all of these things under scrutiny and 24-hour security. When she was 15, Malala survived an assassination attempt by the Taliban, a gunshot to the head while riding home on a school bus. But long before that, she'd been standing up to them, demanding the right for girls to go to school in her hometown of Mingora and Pakistan's Swat Valley.
The Taliban had taken control, closing schools, banning women from public life, and brutally punishing anyone who resisted. After the shooting, Malala's life changed overnight. She became a symbol of resistance, praised, politicized, and picked apart.
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Chapter 2: What challenges did Malala Yousafzai face after surviving the Taliban attack?
And I just kept thinking as I was reading this, for someone the world has called the bravest girl on earth, What was it like to suddenly be frightened of your own hands, of your own self?
It was frightening. And even now, when I think about it, it's a really frightening place to be in. You feel trapped. You do not see a way out. That's exactly what I was going through in those days. I was shaking. I was shaking every minute. I could not look at harmful objects. I could not look at a knife.
I could not watch news that said anything about murdering people or somebody being killed or shot or wounded. I just felt so disappointed with myself that somebody who actually faced a Taliban gunman was somehow now scared of these small things. It was all trivial stuff that it made no sense to me. And I thought that I had lost my courage, that I was not brave enough.
The titles I had received my whole life, and I thought I had to live up to them. I felt like an imposter. And then one of my friends suggested that I see a therapist. She said that a lot of students actually get therapy in college, that she herself is seeing a therapist. And I was a bit skeptical. I also thought a therapist would not understand what I'm going through.
Right.
Because she said, I should give it a try. Yeah.
Because your parents didn't believe in therapy. I think your father said only a completely non-functioning person needs a therapist. So there was a lot that you needed to get over to actually seek one.
Yes. You know, growing up in Pakistan, we had not heard about therapy and mental health that now we are hearing where it's been accepted as a normal conversation. People are opening up about it. And we don't even have that much support around mental health. Has it helped you? Therapy has definitely helped me.
I remember the first session where I told my therapist all my problems, past, present, potential future ones. And I said, OK, like now give me some medication. How do we fix it? And she took a deep breath and she said, you know, this is not how therapy works. And she told me that I had PTSD and anxiety. And this was like the first time that I actually heard the word PTSD.
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Chapter 3: How did winning the Nobel Prize impact Malala's life and expectations?
And I knew that we had to be married because in our culture, for two people to be together, you have to be married. So But then marriage just felt like a very heavy topic for me. I even went to read some books.
Yes, you read a lot of books about feminism and marriage.
Yes, I was like, please, Virginia Woolf, help me. Bell Hooks, can you share a few words of wisdom?
Well, you made this list of questions for him before you marry him. I mean, you asked him about fidelity, about whether he'd control what you wear, whether he'd take another wife. These were real considerations that you had to know. You were trying to extract guarantees, though. Yes. And he tried to give them to you, but then he said something to you that was really kind of profound.
He said, there are no magic words to take away all of your doubts. Why was that the right answer for you to kind of come to the realization that this was the step that you should take?
Yeah, I mean, like poor Asar. I was asking him every possible question about every horrible things that I had seen or heard about. Like, you know, a husband doesn't allow his wife to work. A husband has a problem that the wife earns more money. The husband is of this view that he can marry, like, more wives or things like that.
And he is, you know, okay with, like, telling the wife off or, like, that she has to live by his rules and all of that. So I said, who knows? Like, I know he's a nice guy, but who knows? I think it's better to get a verbal... confirmation. It's just the fear, the fear that we all carry.
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Chapter 4: What experiences did Malala have during her college years at Oxford?
I knew that I was a very independent person. I did not need a husband. Literally, I did not need him. But I wanted him and I wanted to make sure that this was like worth my time. But when he said that no answers would clear all my doubts. I think he was right. It was true because even when he was answering, I still had that little hesitation in my heart.
But what I really loved was just the way he was answering those questions. He was very patient. He gave me time. This marriage conversation started like a while ago, but he allowed me to go and do my research and talk to people and just like take my time off.
My guest today is Malala Yousafzai. We're talking about her new memoir, Finding My Way. We'll be right back after a short break. I'm Tanya Mosley, and this is Fresh Air.
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Chapter 5: How did Malala navigate her identity while under constant security?
But I just hope that we can create a world without any violence war and terror and harm for children where they can have a childhood of joy and learning and they can have a safe life.
Malala Yousafzai, thank you so much.
Oh, thank you so much. Nice talking to you.
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