Rhiannon Giddens traces the banjo from her ancestors to Beyoncé
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This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. There are many ways you may know my guest, singer, banjo player, fiddler, and songwriter Rhiannon Giddens. Early in her career, she co-founded the Carolina Chocolate Drops, which played music from the black string band tradition dating back to slave times. She since recorded several solo albums. On one of them, she recorded and wrote several songs based on slave narratives and one song based on an ad from a slaveholder looking to sell a young enslaved woman, offering the buyer the option of buying the woman's nine-month-old baby. Giddens studied opera singing in college and won a Pulitzer Prize for co-writing the opera Omar about a Muslim scholar from Senegal who was sold into slavery in the U.S.
She also was awarded a MacArthur Fellowship, popularly known as the Genius Grant. She's now the artistic director of the Silk Road Ensemble, which was founded by cellist Yo-Yo Ma and is dedicated to playing with musicians from around the world, drawing on their musical traditions. If all that isn't enough to spark your interest, it's time to bring in the name Beyonce. It's Giddens playing banjo on Texas Hold'em, the hit track on Beyonce's country music album, Cowboy Carter. We'll talk about that a little later. Rhiannon Giddens has a new album called Hope is the Thing with Feathers. The title track is the title of an Emily Dickinson poem that Giddens has set to music. She's brought her banjo and fiddle and will play and sing a little later in the show.
Let's start with a track from the new album. This is Step Away Blues, which she co-wrote.
Step away, step away I've got my soul in my hand You better get my name out your mouth You'll never understand I'm tired of taking off my skin So you can see my heart
Rhiannon Giddens, welcome back to Fresh Air. Thanks.
How did Rhiannon Giddens first become known for her work with the Carolina Chocolate Drops?
Thanks for having me. Such a pleasure to have you back. Step Away Blue is what you co-wrote. You write in the liner notes that you think it definitely feels like a song for your crone ears. And crone isn't a kind of archaic word for people who don't know the definition. It's basically a condescending and contemptful word for an old woman who typically is ugly if the word crone is used. So when you say your crone ears, what do you mean and why is that a song for your crone ears?
You know, there's words that have dictionary definitions. There's words that have connotations that were generations ago. And then there's words that are being reclaimed. And I feel like crone is one of those words because women who have gone through menopause tend to disappear in societies, including ours. And I think we are all looking for ways to reclaim that time because it actually is a time of great power, which is why, of course, it's been under attack for decades. all of patriarchal history, you know? So for me, that's the way I use crone is actually in more of a reclamatory, is that a word? A reclamation sense of, you know, it just means I'm in this period of my life. And so that's kind of the spirit of me using that word is not in a denigration to myself, but more of a reclamation kind of spirit, if that makes sense.
So in what way is that song a defining song for your crone years?
Well, I'm entering in that time. I'm 49 years old, you know, and so I'm just kind of entering in this space of this chapter where I just don't care anymore. You know what I mean? Like, I
just
want to say what I have to say and... you know, it will be taken the way it's taken. I mean, obviously within reason, but I need to step into that a little bit because I've spent a lot of my career sort of, you know, being the peacemaker, being the mediator, sort of trying to represent things in a way that's not too offensive, but that, you know, really sits in an emotionally hard space.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:01–2:45
2
How did Rhiannon Giddens first become known for her work with the Carolina Chocolate Drops?
2:45–8:26
3
What was the significance of playing banjo on Beyoncé’s “Texas Hold ‘Em”?
8:26–13:47
4
What inspired the song “Step Away Blues” and why is it a “crone ears” track?
13:47–25:41
5
How does Giddens describe the emotional toll of presenting Black history to white audiences?
25:41–50:57
Speakers
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