Mark Hamill played Luke Skywalker, one of the most iconic heroes in movie history. His latest film, The Life of Chuck, is an adaptation of a Stephen King novella. He spoke to Fresh Air about auditioning for Star Wars, voiceover work, and the advice Carrie Fisher gave him.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: Who is Mark Hamill and what is his latest project?
I just thought... Somebody goes to work and makes these things happen. You know, I want a job where I bring a gorilla and dinosaurs to life. If I can't do it myself, I could certainly be an assistant. So I was really into that. And there was a Walt Disney program that had Clarence Nash this distinguished gentleman with white hair, step up to the microphone, and he was the voice of Donald Duck.
Now, I was probably either in kindergarten or first grade when I saw that. It never occurred to me, well, of course, there's got to be people doing the voices of Daffy Duck and Bullwinkle and all of that. And it really motivated me. I mean, I went to... When I go to record stores, I go to the children's album section and look on the back of, say, a Rocky and Bullwinkle album.
I go, oh, Paul Freese, June Foray, Dawes Butler, you know.
So you were doing research on the people.
Yes, yes, because I thought, wow. I would love to be in that business. Now, the Walt Disney program was the only one on television that showed you behind the scenes how movies were made. So it made it much more real to me. You saw the camera crew and the construction work and the wardrobe and the caterers. So, I mean, as much as I was discouraged, I thought, you know, well, I'm not a bad cook.
If I can't be a director or an actor, I could always cater. You'll get there some way. Yeah, I'll get there some way because I don't have to be in the show, but I want to be near the show. Now, mind you, this is all kept to myself because I had four sisters and two brothers that would have ridiculed me endlessly if I had been forthcoming about my intentions. But I was always that kind of...
drawn that way. I put on puppet shows. I had a Jerry Mahoney ventriloquist dummy. Oh, yes. That was instructional in and of itself. I hosted a talent show in the sixth grade with my dummy, and as most people realize... You don't have to take responsibility for anything the dummy says.
So you could be highly critical of teachers and the cafeteria food or you just say outrageous things and blame it on the dummy. And it was very empowering to get laughter. I realized this is what I want to do. I like being up in front of people and I love getting laughter.
As you said, you were the middle child of seven. Your father was a career officer in the Navy, a captain. You were born in Oakland, but you moved around a lot, right?
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Chapter 2: What themes are explored in The Life of Chuck?
But one thing I noticed is I could get out of a bully's scrutiny or being put on the spot by a jock by making them laugh. So I did impressions, you know. I remember doing, you know, holy, holy donut, Batman. Relax, young chum. I would do, you know, Adam West and Burt Ward. And, you know, it was fresh in their minds, even though it wasn't on in Japan.
And I was immediately invited to the back of the bus to be sort of the jester for the jocks and the cool kids. But, yeah. Yeah, that's a very powerful tool. And self-deprecating humor really is winning when you can make fun of yourself.
Sometimes before other people can.
Yeah, exactly. Preemptively attacking your own weaknesses.
So that sort of the laughter that you would get being the clown, did that translate in some ways to your interest in acting?
Oh, I'm sure. Because once you get in front of a crowd and you get the reinforcement of laughter that they're getting the jokes, it's very empowering. I mean, I was a huge Marx Brothers fan, huge Laurel and Hardy fan, so I'd go read books about them or I'd look up reviews of...
When the Marx Brothers were on Broadway, I'd get microfiche and look up New York Times reviews and try to make it more real for myself. And so that was sort of my focus. And I was doing – if I didn't get a part in the school play, I would still – I'd do props or I'd work in the lighting booth or – make posters, whatever. I mean... You just wanted to be part of it. Of course.
I mean, like I said before, I don't have to be in the show. I want to be near the show. And I was so serious about it. Towards the end, I looked at, you know, from 8 to 3 p.m. as just things that got in the way before the main reason I was there was rehearsal. Mm-hmm. You know, that's all I looked at, you know, and I kept my grades up.
But what I'm saying, my focus was totally on being in show business.
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Chapter 3: How did Mark Hamill become famous as Luke Skywalker?
And it was funny as hell. I mean, these robots are arguing over whose fault it is. I could tell I was the straight man to the robots. But to tell you the truth, too, between that screen test, months went by. I mean, I just assumed I didn't get it. And then when my agent said, oh, you got it, and they're sending the script over, I'd forgotten what character I played.
Because I figured in the test I did with Harrison in the cockpit, he was the leading man. I seemed to be his annoying sidekick. So when I read it, the title page said, The Adventures of Luke Starkiller as Taken from the Journal of the Wills, Saga No. 1, The Star Wars. And I thought, oh, well, I don't remember, but I guess Harrison's Luke.
And I start reading it, and very quickly I realize, oh, wait a minute. This is through the eyes of a teenager. I must be Luke. And it was very surprising to me.
Well, I think we should hear a scene from the movie. This is from the beginning of the film when you're on the desert planet Tatooine. You're living with your uncle and your aunt who are moisture farmers, and they've just bought these two droids that you mentioned, C-3PO and R2-D2. And as thrilling as it sounds to be a moisture farmer, you're dreaming of a different kind of life.
You know, I think that R2 unit we bought might have been stolen. What makes you think that? I stumbled across a recording while I was cleaning him. He says he belongs to someone called Obi-Wan Kenobi. I thought he might have meant old Ben. Do you know what he's talking about? Hmm.
I wonder if he's related to Ben. That wizard's just a crazy old man. Tomorrow I want you to take that R2 unit to Anchor Head and have its memory erased. That'll be the end of it. It belongs to us now.
But what if this Obi-Wan comes looking for it?
He won't. I don't think he exists anymore. He died about the same time as your father.
He knew my father?
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Chapter 4: What is Mark Hamill's experience with voice acting?
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A lot of voice acting, and I know you did voice acting before Star Wars, but did voice acting provide you with an opportunity to kind of avoid some of those issues with typecasting that you were facing?
Absolutely. Now, originally I went to New York and did theater because I knew I could do – I wanted to get character parts and be seen in a way that people would not expect to see me. And I did that. I lived there, I don't know, from 79 to around 92, I was doing theater. But when I came back and heard that they were casting the Joker and I looked at the talent involved.
This wasn't going to be the Saturday morning Super Friends. This was going to be written in a way that wrote up to kids. So I said, I really want to get in on this. But it just so happens that they cast a Joker and decided to go another way. So they'd already filmed three episodes, I think three, maybe four, with the original actor. And when I went in to audition...
you had to match the lip flaps, you know, which is almost a different skill.
Well, let's hear a little bit of your Joker. This is from actually a movie called Batman Mask of the Phantasm. And this is a scene between the Joker and a gangster named Salvatore Valestra. And when I first heard this, I was like, oh, that guy's doing a pretty good Abe Vigoda impression. But it was actually Abe Vigoda who, of course, played a different Salvatore in The Godfather.
But here, let's hear it.
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Chapter 5: What was Mark Hamill's audition experience for Star Wars?
Batman's knocking us off and you're the only one who can take him down. Look, five million up front with whatever you want to finish him off.
What do I look like?
Pest control? Think you fool. Once he gets me, how long till he gets you? You know what I'm talking about. Your hands are just as dirty. Dirtier.
Don't touch me, old man. I don't know where you've been. Oh, Sal, no one could take a joke like you. Of course I'll help you out. Really? Certainement. No way is anybody going to hurt my pal Sal. That's it. That's what I want to see. A nice big smile.
So that's our guest Mark Hamill in Batman, Mask of the Phantasm, playing the Joker. So, you know, you go through a huge range of emotions in that scene. Can voice acting actually be more tiring than live action because of that?
Listen, voiceover saved my life. When I got into it, I thought, where have this been all this time? I mean, first of all... A character actor is defined by the fact that you don't see the actor. You see just the character. Well, voiceover does that for everyone because you don't see the actor. And what I'm telling you is since they cast with their ears, not their eyes, you get to play...
A huge range of characters that you wouldn't get to play because you're not physically right. You know, I could play six foot two mafia enforcers. I could play a German professor. I mean, it's just a dream come true. in terms of using their imagination. If you can match the voice to what he looks like, you're home free. And I just thought, this is spectacular. I mean, it's the ultimate...
in terms of you don't have to memorize. You can just read all the lines. They don't care how you look. You can show up looking like hell. I said I would be good never being on camera again. In fact, this might be better because you don't have to age on camera. I'm always shocked when I see myself. I go, wow, am I old?
In 2015, you returned to play Luke Skywalker in the last of the Star Wars trilogies. You were only in the last few seconds of the first one, but you had quite a long story arc in the second one.
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Chapter 6: How does Mark Hamill view his iconic role as Luke Skywalker?
Get over yourself. You're Luke Skywalker. I'm Princess Leia. Embrace it. And I kind of saw what she meant, you know, because you say to yourself, what territory do I occupy that no one else does? So she was someone that, you know, sort of put it in perspective for me.
And like I said earlier, you know, the disconnect between the current fans and myself is that for me, I had my time and I appreciate it. And I'm always grateful for George for letting me be a part of it. But it's over. I mean, as an actor, you finish the job, you go on to the next job. You don't hang on to that. the prior job.
So I always have to really make an adjustment when I'm talking to fans where it's very much in the present. It's very much about the future, which is fine. You know, I mean, if it weren't for the fans, I wouldn't be here. And so I'm grateful to them. They know details I have never heard of.
Somebody was asking me about, well, when you went to the Wookie's home planet, I said, wait a minute, did we, did we go to the Wookie's home planet? I Oh, well, and they'll tell me what novel it was in. And I don't read any of the supplemental material. Like I say, it was an important part of my life that's now over.
Except it's not, but in some ways.
And it never will be. So I've accepted that as well, you know.
Well, Mark Hamill, thank you so much for coming on Fresh Air.
Of course.
Mark Hamill spoke with Fresh Air's managing producer, Sam Brigger. Hamill is in the new movie, The Life of Chuck. After we take a break, John Powers will review the new film, Jane Austen Wrecked My Life, and we'll consider why Austen still has a place in pop culture. This is Fresh Air.
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