TPP 253a: Advocate and Author Jonathan Mooney on Why Normal Sucks

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Debbie Reber 0:00
Hey, it's Debbie. This fall on Playback Fridays, I am going back through the archives to share some of those conversations that have stayed with me over the years. So you guys know I've been doing this show for a very long time. And while I value every conversation I've had, there are some that have stuck with me because they either shifted my thinking, they inspired me, or they changed the way I show up as a parent. So those are the ones I'll be revisiting this fall. And I hope they do the same for you. Welcome to Tilt Parenting, a podcast featuring interviews and conversations aimed at inspiring, informing, and supporting parents raising differently wired kids. I'm your host, Debbie Rieber, and after a few weeks off, I am ready to get back into the swing of things.
Debbie Reber 0:47
And I could not be more excited than to start this season off with a powerful and gut-punching conversation with Jonathan Mooney. Jonathan is a Self-described do-gooder, speaker, and writer who didn't learn to read until he was 12 years old. Growing up with dyslexia, Jonathan faced a number of low expectations. He was told he would be a high school dropout and likely end up in jail. Instead, he earned a degree in English literature, started his first nonprofit in his college dorm, and has gone on to write a number of books, including his latest title, Normal. Sucks. We cover so much ground in this conversation all about the implications and prescriptions of normal. From the painful messages Jonathan received in his early life to some of the disturbing research he came across while writing his book.
Debbie Reber 1:37
But we also talk about the kind of powerful things that can happen for our kids when we set aside typical conventions, timelines, and expectations and sell Celebrate their differences. And now here is my conversation with Jonathan. Hey Jonathan, welcome to the podcast.
Jonathan Mooney 2:00
Hey, I'm um I'm excited to be a part of it. Thanks for having me.
Debbie Reber 2:03
Oh my pleasure. I feel like this conversation is long overdue and I just finished reading your book, Normal Sucks, and I there were so many yes, yes moments as I was reading it. It's uh so in alignment with what I as a parent of a differently wired kid have been preaching about and talking about everywhere I could. And so I'm just so grateful to have you on the show today. So could we even start? I'm sure you tell your story all the time, but just, you know, tell us a little bit about about who you are in the world. I think so many parents are gonna hear your story and feel like, oh my gosh, this is this could be my child speaking as an adult. So I would love to just hear a little bit about how you got to be doing the work that you're doing.
Jonathan Mooney 2:49
Yeah, well look, first of all, thank you for for the work that you're doing and um uh being a part of of this movement. It's an all hands on deck moment to make the world more inclusive uh for folks with uh uh neurodiversities who who learn and live differently. So I so value you and uh your contribution to the field. You know, I've uh been an advocate on behalf of folks with atypical brains for over twenty years. And uh that work stems from my own experience of uh, you know, struggling as a result of my own learning and intentional differences. Uh I was the kid who spent a lot of time chilling out with the janitor in the hallway. Uh I grew up on a first name basis with Shirley, the receptionist in the principal's office.
Jonathan Mooney 3:35
Um I spent a lot of the day, you know, hiding in the bathroom to escape reading out loud. Um I was diagnosed with a continuum of uh attention and executive functioning challenges uh in elementary school. I was diagnosed with dyslexia, uh dysgraphia and other learning differences around the same time. And I I generally got the short end of the stick, for lack of a better word. You know, I was the square peg that did not fit the round hole of uh American education and I got the message that my differences were deficiencies. And that message uh took took its toll. And uh when I kind of came out uh the other end uh doing okay, you know, I graduated from from Brown University.

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