Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to Ghost of a Podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Laniato. I'm an astrologer, psychic medium, and animal communicator, and I'm going to give you your weekly horoscope and no bullshit mystical advice for living your very best life. Jane, welcome to the podcast.
What would you like?
Oh yeah, my pleasure. What would you like a reading about?
I will just go ahead and read my question that I submitted. Hey Jessica, I'm 27 weeks pregnant and I can't shake the feeling that I'm doing a bad job in pregnancy. I feel a lot of shame and guilt around finding pregnancy physically and emotionally grueling and I'm worried that these persisting negative emotions will somehow harm my baby.
I'd be grateful if you can offer support in helping me manage my expectations versus reality of my situation and provide coping strategies for getting through the rest of pregnancy and moving into parenthood.
I want to just, first of all, congratulate you on being pregnant. I'm assuming it's your first pregnancy. Thank you. Yes, it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I want to ask like a couple questions before we dive in.
The first is in terms of like your natural pre-pregnancy hormonal lifestyle, do you tend to get like big hormonal emotional fluctuations around your cycle that you've noticed or that you remember? Yeah.
Not specifically around my cycle, but I do definitely experience big emotions. Like I get really pulled into big emotions, which I feel like is maybe not surprising.
No, I mean, we're going to look at your chart in a minute, but you are a double Scorpio. So no surprises there. Not specifically with hormones, because, you know, before we get into any kind of woo woo stuff. big feelings that are just like outsized and really hard and different. Some of that is just hormones, right?
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Chapter 2: What feelings does Jane express about her pregnancy?
what is that like what literally is we act like it's normal and it's not miraculous and insane but it is I mean there's like a human growing in you that's crazy it's crazy yeah I spent so many years being like that's alien stuff like how do we just grow other humans that can't be real
With bones.
I mean, to me, it's like the bones and the like fingernails. To me, that's the thing that just like it takes me too far. Like, like building a soul inside of you, I can accept more than the bones. Like, how are you growing somebody else's bones? It's weird.
I don't know. It's happening. But yeah, to your question, I feel like my husband and I were just talking about this. He was like, I'm really surprised at how I perceive you to be very much yourself in this pregnancy so far, apart from all of the difficulties around it in terms of I think he had some expectations or ideas about what that hormonal change could look like. And I did too.
And I don't necessarily feel like I can pinpoint, oh, this must be from just these hormone changes. I haven't really had any specific behaviors or emotions come up that feel like they're related to that.
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Chapter 3: How can Jane manage her expectations versus reality during pregnancy?
So yeah, I don't know why.
You don't feel that the emotions you're having around being quote unquote bad at being pregnant are hormonal. You think there's something else. I'm going to start this reading off. We're going to pull up your chart in a second saying, I think some of this is hormonal and I'm going to back it up astrological. Okay. So let me pull up your chart. Hold on. Sure. Okay.
So for those who are not watching, you were born October 26, 1992 in Santiago de Compostela. Is that right? Did I say it right? In Spain at 1 p.m. local time. We don't believe that time of birth, but we're working with it.
OK, so there's a lot of things I want to say, but I'm going to start off by defending my thesis that actually a big part of what is motivating this fear that you're doing it wrong somehow is just how your hormonal intensity is presenting itself. You are a Scorpio stellium baby. You've got your sun, your moon, Pluto and Mercury all in Scorpio. Yes.
And straight out the gate, you, you have intense emotions, right? Like you, you have intense emotions because of your Pluto Mercury conjunction. You have learned throughout the course of your life to try to keep your intensity kind of to yourself a little bit.
Like you can brood, you can kind of like obsess, you can fixate, but it's not like you're like shit posting and like being loud about all of your thoughts and feelings all the time. Correct?
Correct. Yeah. I would say it's like very subtle and internal. The way I externalize it is just being like very serious or very, I don't know, focused on something or very intense. Like I feel like I'm very intense a lot of the time.
Yeah. That makes sense. But, and this is an important, but you have learned to internalize a lot of your intensity and that's through early developmental experiences. And then also like just being a fucking woman in the world, it's like, yeah, you don't, It's not subtle that, you know, the message to be a little easier to be around or whatever. There's something else.
You've got your Saturn in the first house squaring your moon. And this triples down on this feeling of I am responsible for everything. Everything is my everything's my fault, except for the things that go really well. And that's dumb luck. Am I right about that? Am I right? Yeah.
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Chapter 4: What role do hormones play in Jane's emotional experiences?
And how can I fix this before it gets worse? Yeah. Let's add something else to the mix. And again, this is all part of my thesis is your hormones are a part of this because what your hormones are doing is intensifying your feelings. For you, a lot of what that means is the swirling intensity of emotion that you're used to has gotten ticked up.
So your habits around how you like self-manage aren't working because you're used to like a certain amount of water in the glass and now the water's at the rim and you're like, oh shit, how do I not spill any? Like, because you're trying to keep everything self-contained.
It's so interesting because it all feels so familiar to me. And so it doesn't feel like there's more water in the glass. It just feels like I feel like a lot of the emotions I'm having around, am I doing this right? Or how do I do this right? I can map onto other parts of my life. And so I sort of end up feeling like, well, this is just what I'm like all the time.
But now I'm really focused on how it's coming to fruition through pregnancy.
That might be the case. Like it might be that your hormones are not affecting your feelings. let's hold space for either being true. Okay. Let's hold space for either being true, but you are literally growing a human being person and your body is going through changes that are bananas. Right. And if you can't hold grace for yourself in this girl, when will you? Yeah.
Right.
Yeah. So let's just start with that. Now you have Virgo intercept your eighth house. You can kind of see it right here in the chart, right? Virgo's intercept your eighth house, which in the context of this conversation, pregnancy is fucking nuts. And in the, sorry, I keep on saying it, but like, I cannot say it enough.
I'm laughing because it's just the thought I have every day. I'm like, I feel so crazy. How is it that so many people have gone through this for millennia and it's just normal. It's so not normal.
It's not normal. I mean, it's, it's regular. I get like, it's like, it's a lot of people experience it common. It's common, but it's fucking nuts. It is crazy, you know? And because there was so much, information, some of it substantive, some of it not, out there about, well, your thoughts and your feelings create this life inside of you.
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Chapter 5: How does Jane's past influence her feelings about parenting?
I've worked with kids a lot. I've known that I'm good with kids. And I think I have imagined myself as a parent before. But I was never someone who was like, I cannot wait to be a mom. It was just kind of like, we'll see.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me. There are things in your chart that speak to how happy you would be without kids. And there are things in your chart that speak to how happy you would be with kids. And I'm using plural. I wouldn't be surprised if it's kid. Single kid. It's just how, you know, it's easier to say kids. But I do mean kid.
I just want to hold space for like, first of all, like I can see that. You could have gone either way with this, for sure. And that said... This Mars and Cancer that you have is opposite Neptune and Uranus. What this means in English is that being in your body, eh, not always your favorite thing in the world.
Like you're in your head, you're in your feelings, you're in the vibes, but your body, ah, that's where all your, the emotions you don't know how to process are. There's a lot of like physiological sensations and ah, like it's just like, eh.
It's a lot of information, yeah.
A lot of information. And being pregnant is, is just like fucking minute by minute changes. And you're, it's like, these are my feet. Oh my God, this is, this is my stomach. Oh wait, fuck. Like, you know, like, oh my God, I guess I can't eat that anymore. Right? Like it's constantly being brought into your body and not being brought into your body through gentle massage.
It's being brought into your body with something deeply consequential and outside of your control. Yes.
Yeah. I feel that so deeply. Like, I feel like I'm so aware of being pregnant every minute of every day. And I'm just like, what the fuck? And I have to do this for at least three more months. And then, you know, and then you have to give birth and then afterwards.
Yeah. And your body will be changed, right? Like you have like another human's DNA in you now. Like it's a whole, it's creepy. And here's the thing. It's Mars. It's creepy. It's creepy. Mars Uranus opposition. Yeah. This is an aspect where even if in the end you make the choice to get pregnant, the idea of being invaded or being out of control with your body are two ideas you fucking hate.
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Chapter 6: What strategies can help Jane cope with feelings of shame and guilt?
Like, why didn't I just like take an extra breath and not let that get to me? Instead, being able to say, oh, I'm noticing those things. What does it mean? And what it means is not you're wrong or you're harming your child. What that means is I'm guessing like 80% of the time, 90% of the time is, oh, I'm tired. That's what it means. It means you're tired. Yeah.
So that Mars opposition to Neptune in the birth chart generally means you need rest.
Chapter 7: How can Jane prepare for the physicality of childbirth?
Like your body, when it says I am tapped, whether it's like physically, like I'm exhausted physically or mentally exhausted or emotionally exhausted, your system just shuts down. Your system's like, I'm out. A hundred percent. And you are growing a human with a personality and a soul and bones and fingernails. Sorry. It's all weird. That's it's tiring. I mean, it's it's it's exhausting.
So the practice I want to invite you to for the rest of your pregnancy and into parenting. Right. Because here's the thing is, for as long as you have a child, they're like attached to your body for years. So like still part of your body. Right.
Right.
Yeah. That's going to be very hard for you. That's not like your happy place. That's not an easy thing for you, you know, and you may decide to breastfeed and you may not. And you may decide to pump if you want to breastfeed instead of having your kid on you. There's lots of theories about the right ways and the wrong ways. And sometimes the technically best way is wrong for you.
And so what it costs you mentally and emotionally isn't fucking worth it. And and when we look back at your mom as a really great example, she sought the best way to be a partner and a mom. And she made those choices because she thought they were the best possible choices for her to make in the chaos of life.
And now I'm guessing at her advanced age, she could look back and be like, oh, yeah, I could have made different choices. I could have handled that differently. Yeah. That will happen to you. That will happen to me. That will happen to all of us. That's life. And so all that you can do to be a good host body... Or I'm so glad we agree about the aliens thing. It's not normal.
It's not normal.
It's not normal. So to be a good host body or to be a good steward of your child's welfare, to be a good parent, you have to be good to yourself. That's the thing is you have to be good to yourself because how you treat yourself and how you engage with the world creates the reality that your child is exposed to.
So let's do away with the idea that your child could be born into utopia because this is not utopia. No. No. Here are bad days. Bodies are confusing. Lots of different kinds of emotions. You don't always get what you want. Sometimes you get sick, right? Like these are all parts of the human experience. And so...
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Chapter 8: How can Jane communicate her needs to her partner effectively?
Babies cry. And the feeling, you've been around babies, right? So you've been around wailing babies. Yeah. The feeling of that crying, it becomes like their whole fucking existence to them in that moment, right? Like that's all they can feel. But as an adult, your wiser part is like, okay, this baby is experiencing something that's making them just like the world is about to end.
And you know that this wailing and this sadness will pass. Your wiser part knows they are not the sadness. They are not this grief. They are feeling this in this moment. This is the only way they know how to feel their feelings. This is the only way they know how to express. So use that same wisdom on yourself.
I was going to say that's like exactly the thing that I come up against a lot that I, I know intellectually this isn't going to last forever, but when I'm in those big waves of emotion of sadness and frustration and shame and guilt and stuff, it just feels like, and this will never end. And I really believe it. Or it's like, it will always come back. Right.
Like there's all, and there's a kind of this fear cycle of like, Well, even if it gets good for a minute, it's going to get hard again. And that really propels a lot of fear in me, too, about like, oh, my God, if it's been so hard until now, it's only going to continue to be hard or, you know, I'm going to continue to suffer in all these ways.
So let's slow down with that, OK, because that's really real. And you're how old now? 33. Great. Okay. And has life gotten harder? Has like shame and like all that emotionality, has that gotten harder to bear over time? I don't think so. It hasn't. I'm going to psychic you here. Okay. It hasn't. Now, let me ask, has it gotten a little bit better? I don't know. Great. Okay, good. Hang out there.
And I want you to know when I said great, I meant it. Not knowing the answer is not a failure. It's information, right? Because when you're in a cycle of trying to be self-contained, trying to be like a good self-cleaning oven. Like you're not going to bother anyone with your intensity and all the bananas you've been collecting in your purse, right?
So when you do that, it's really hard to slow down and really think about what was my mental health like in my 20s, like at 22? What was my mental health like at 25? What was I like at 28? It's a worthy investigation because I think you'll find that you've actually gotten better, not great, but marginally better at navigating those feelings. They were worse. They were worse. And the feelings...
from Pluto will always tell you that you are going under. Pluto is like the undertow in the ocean. Waves crash and then you're being pulled under by something deeper than you. And so it is 100% of the time that you feel those kinds of feelings of shameful, just like, fuck is wrong with me feelings to not engage with the content of those feelings, but instead with the feeling of those feelings.
No intellectualization is going to serve you. None. You will never reason yourself out of shame. That's not how shame works. Yeah. What I like to do, and this is something you might play with, is the next time it comes up, say out loud in your head, this is a shame spiral or this is a shame spike. And then try to breathe without chasing the spike. Okay.
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