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Couples looking for surrogates still going to Ukraine

07 May 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

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This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Niin sua. Elämä on. Klaas Olssonin asiakaskuulutus. Valoisia uutisia kaikille asiakkaillemme. Nyt 30 prosentin alennus aurinkokennovaloista. Esimerkiksi puutarhalyhdyistä, parvekevaloista tai automaattisista valoketjuista, jotka sopivat melkein minne tahansa. Klaas Olsson.

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59.228 - 105.398 Ankur Desai

Tervetuloa, olen Ankur Desai ja viimeisenä viimeisenä viimeisenä viimeisenä viimeisenä viimeisenä viimeisenä viimeisenä. Also in this podcast. We mark the life of Ted Turner, the media mogul who launched CNN, who's died at 87.

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For years Ukraine has been one of the world's leading hubs for commercial surrogacy, attracting couples from around the world with lower costs and more relaxed laws. Despite Russia's full-scale invasion, the industry has continued to operate. But now a proposed law being debated in Ukraine's parliament could ban surrogacy for foreign parents, threatening to dismantle one of the world's biggest surrogacy markets.

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A global health reporter Sofia Betitsa traveled to Kyiv to find out why foreign couples continue to travel to a country at war to have children and what the proposed law could change. We are in a so-called baby room in the outskirts of Kyiv, set up by a surrogacy agency. Here newborn babies wait for their prospective parents to come and collect them from the UK, Turkey, Brazil and beyond.

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No, you can hear that. Can you hear that sound? Every year, thousands head to Ukraine for surrogacy. The war disrupted this huge industry, but it didn't stop people like Hematraj and Rajvir, who have travelled from London to Kiev to have a baby.

189.875 - 211.593 Sofia Betitsa

So you weren't sleeping, you were worried all the time. You could hear explosions, you could hear drones, you could feel tremors and see smoke billowing in the skies from where the attacks were. Was it worth the risk? Definitely. I mean, being able to bring our son back and seeing him every day and being able to fill that dream of ours, it was worth every risk.

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But not every surrogacy arrangement goes so smoothly. We found that in many cases parents delay traveling to Ukraine to collect their newborns. Sometimes for months. Svitlana runs a small surrogacy agency. So you had these twins for 11 months. The intended parents just left them here. But don't you think that leaving their babies for nearly a year...

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It's a bit selfish and a bit careless. This is not normal, but unfortunately we have had cases. It happens about 80% of the time. I cried when I handed them over. It hurt. They felt like my own. I was watching them grow up, learning to speak, getting their first teeth. It's still painful for me.

Chapter 2: Why is Ukraine a leading hub for commercial surrogacy?

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Not every baby is collected. At this children's home in Kyiv we meet Wei, who was born through surrogacy. He was premature and has a severe brain injury. He cannot sit unaided, hold his head or see properly. When his intended parents were told about his condition, they did not come for him.

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Cas like this are prompting calls for change. The Ukrainian parliament is now debating a new law that could ban surrogacy for foreign parents.

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How often are children born through surrogacy left behind? There is a lot of children that are left behind. Valeria Soruchan is from the health ministry. And it's not only children that are left behind. We don't know where the children go from there. As soon as they get picked up from this country, we don't know what happens to them. Surrogacy is one of the ways for children trafficking. It is. Would this law solve that problem? We do believe that it will minimize that.

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But for those women who choose to become surrogate mothers, this is a lifeline in a country where war has stripped away their livelihoods.

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Karina on tekemässä skannia. Hän on 22-vuotias ja harjoittelee lapsen kappaleen. Se oli päätöksiä, joita hän teki, kun hänen kotonsa Mahmutin yliopistossa oli poistettu. Hän on tehty 17 000 dollaria. Minä teen niin monta syrjintää, joita minun terveydenhankkeeni tarvitsee. Tämä syrjintä huomioi minun suunnitelmia.

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A vote on the proposed ban is expected this year, but for now many will risk everything, even coming to a war zone, to become parents, while they still can.

Chapter 3: What challenges do foreign couples face in surrogacy during the war in Ukraine?

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Next, President Trump has predicted that the war with Iran will be over quickly. That wasn't long after he'd said there would be much more intensive bombing attacks if Tehran didn't agree to his demands. Tehran is reading the small print on those proposals, and no doubt considering its options. But surrendering to the US military is hardly likely to be one of them, given that it's remained steadfast in its position for so long.

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Meanwhile Israel has attacked the Lebanese capital Beirut for the first time since the ceasefire was agreed. The Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he had personally approved the strike on Hezbollah targets in a suburb of the city. Iran has made clear that Lebanon must be part of any agreement to end the war. But Israel is obviously not interested in that. So are we close to a deal or not? A question I put to our international editor Jeremy Bowen.

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I'm confused and I think everyone looking at it is confused. In fact on the BBC this morning the former head of MI6, the secret intelligence service, John Soares, said this was Alice in Wonderland stuff that's going on at the moment. So that is pretty clear that it's not the way that geopolitics and wars are meant to work. I think what's going on is that Trump wants to reverse out of a war that has become very unpopular in the United States. It's driving up the price of petrol. His supporters voted for him because they didn't want to be involved in foreign wars.

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and suddenly they are again. His problem though is that he needs something which he can say is a victory. He wants the win, yeah. He wants the win, and he doesn't want people to be able to say, well, it smells just like the deal that Obama made back in 2015, which Trump ripped up in 2016, saying it was the worst deal ever in the history of the world.

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Mutta hän on saanut iranilaisia väärin, koska heillä on vahva etos resistenssiä ja tyhjentäisyyttä. Se on todella vahva ja huonosti regiimi, joka tappaa itseänsä ihmisiä ylöspäin. Mutta se myös tarkoittaa, että he eivät ole liikaa, jos Iranin ihmiset kestävät ekonomisesti tai mitä tahansa, koska he haluavat pysyä heidän järjestelmään. Ja he eivät pysyä kapitulaan. Mielestäni se on nyt selvää, mutta mielestäni hän toivoo, että he voivat. Se on iso ymmärrys.

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I think so. And the question mark now is that they're talking about a so-called MOU, a memorandum of understanding, basically a one-page guide to the way talks might go. Future of Iran's nuclear plans. What about the Strait of Hormuz? Ja sitten on vielä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä ylipäänsä

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Then there's some talk about 20 years, Iran saying maybe five years without enrichment. But a deal with so-called sunset clauses was one of the things that Trump hated about Obama's deal with Iran. You know, the point is that it's very hard to stop these things happening when the knowledge is out there. So what sensible diplomats would try to do is try to manage the situation, not try to issue an edict and hope that the other country involved just says, OK, then, yeah, sorry, we're frightened. Iran doesn't work like that.

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With this proving to be unpopular at home, midterms on the horizon, how quickly does this need to accelerate for Donald Trump in order to try and win back favor with especially his core supporter base too? Tomorrow. I think he wants this to be over as soon as possible. That's why he keeps hyping up the chances of a deal while backing that up with threats that he probably won't carry out, but he might.

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It's a terrible, self-inflicted mess. And if Iran comes out of this with some acknowledgement of its place in the Strait of Hormuz, its power over it, some kind of a deal on enriched uranium, the lifting of sanctions so they get money coming in. To start with, that is political kryptonite for Benjamin Netanyahu.

Chapter 4: How do surrogacy arrangements impact the newborns left behind?

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I think for America it would actually add up as a strategic defeat. Very serious for their position in the world because whatever Donald Trump says, America's allies and adversaries and enemies will look at that and think, oh, they haven't done well here, have they? Our international editor, Jeremy Bowen.

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Next to a lawsuit in the US that's questioning the lines between using a muse to inspire art and stealing someone's likeness to make money. The BBC's Will Chalk has the details. When we say to make money, we mean a lot of money. The concept is to drive these remotely controlled bodies called avatars. Because this is to do with the highest grossing film of all time, Avatar. You are not in Kansas anymore.

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Sinulla on Pandora. Kaksi elokuvia ympäri. Franchise on ottanut yli 6 miljardia euroa maailmalla. Mutta tämä lainsäädäntö mennään taas alkuperäiseen. Ja inspiraatio on suurin piirtein suurin piirtein suurin piirtein suurin piirtein suurin piirtein suurin piirtein suurin piirtein suurin piirtein.

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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the proposed law banning surrogacy for foreign parents?

704.393 - 731.596 James Cameron

That's the director James Cameron speaking to the French website Combini back in 2024. He's standing in front of a sketch he made that went on to be the model for the film's famous blue aliens, the Narvi. The source for this was a photograph that was in the LA Times as part of the promotion for the New World. There's a young actress named Koryanka Kilcher who played Pocahontas in the New World. So this is actually her photograph.

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Hän oli hyvin mielenkiintoinen. Nyt aktiivinen Corianka Kilcher puhuu Disneyn ja James Cameronin, että he saivat, replikoivat ja komersiaalisesti laajentivat hänen huoneensa, välttämättä hänen publicitiivisuutensa.

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The lawsuit says the filmmakers took the unique biometric facial features of a 14-year-old girl, ran them through an industrial production process and generated billions of dollars in profit without ever once asking her permission. It adds that in doing this, Avatar, which is based around themes of colonial exploitation of indigenous people, exploited a young actress who is herself of indigenous Peruvian descent. We have an indigenous population called the Navi.

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They are very hard to kill. But this isn't an isolated case. Taylor Swift is among the stars who've started filing trademark applications for their voice and likeness to try and combat the power of generative AI to replicate someone at the click of a button. In this context, James Cameron's alleged offense, taking inspiration from a real face when drawing a real sketch, is relatively archaic.

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Chapter 6: What role do surrogate mothers play in Ukraine's economy during the war?

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but it shows that the battle for control over who has the right to use your image and how is one that's deeply entrenched across the entertainment industry. In short, if you want to be the only person who makes money from you, you need to keep control of your avatar.

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We'll talk with that report. Scientists say they verified the existence of the second largest wave ever to sweep the earth. A mega tsunami that topped 481 meters, which is taller than the Empire State Building in New York.

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The wave was created when part of an Alaskan mountain crumbled into the sea last year. Researchers say mega tsunamis are made worse by climate change and are a reminder of the risks posed by melting glaciers. Our science and environment correspondent Helen Briggs reports.

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Last summer a giant wave swept through a fjord in southeast Alaska, a region known for its natural beauty and popular with cruise ships. The event went largely unnoticed at the time, but scientists have now analysed the mega tsunami, a massive wave caused when a landslide crashes into the water. They say it was the second largest ever recorded and was partly driven by climate change.

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Melting glaciers are making slopes less stable and increasing the risk of collapse. The researchers say it was only the early morning timing that spared nearby tourist ships as they were anchored offshore at the time. The study, published in Science, is prompting calls for wider monitoring in regions at risk of future meg tsunamis. Geologist Brettwood Higman, who visited the site, called it a close call.

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Me tiedämme, että oli ihmisiä, jotka olivat melkein väärässä paikassa, ja se toimii vain hieman. Olen melko yllättynyt, että emme ole niin onnistuneita tulevaisuudessa. Alaska on erityisen vaarallinen, koska hänellä on suuret maat, rauhoit järjestelmät ja liikkuvat järjestelmät. Helen Briggs. Vielä tullut tämän podcastin, laajan oikean populistin ja prinsessin.

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Se auttaa hänet, koska hän on pieni, joka saattaa saada rauhaa. Erittäin franskalainen rakastus, mutta onko se rauhallinen loppu? NASA's Artemis II mission crew has returned home safely after successfully completing their groundbreaking voyage around the moon. Splashdown confirmed.

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Humans are back in the business of going to the moon. But while the mission is over, the Artemis Space Program is just getting started. 13 Minutes, the BBC Space Podcast, is looking back on their epic journey and discovering what the future holds for the Artemis Space Program. Just imagine what we as humans can do next. 13 Minutes presents Artemis 2 from the BBC World Service. Listen now, wherever you get your BBC Podcasts.

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Chapter 7: What recent developments are there in the US-Iran relations?

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Olipa kerran pessimisti, optimisti ja saletisti. Pessimisti pelkäsi aina pahinta. Optimisti taas toivoi parasta ja luuli liikojakin. Entäpä saletisti sitten? No, saletisti onnistui.

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Siis kelaa, tätä ei saa Suomesta, tätä ei saa Suomesta, tätä ei todellakaan saa Suomesta. Mistä sä oot sit noin ostanut? Let's party! Nyt laivalle jopa miinus viisikymmentä prosenttia. Varaa heti tallinksilja.fi. Noniin, lähetäänkö laivalla?

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The American broadcasting mogul Ted Turner has died. He was 87 and was known for many things, but primarily as the founder of CNN, the first round-the-clock TV news channel launched back in 1980. Here he is announcing the network. This news service will be called the Cable News Network.

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Ja programmoimme jatkuvasti uudistuneita puoliväriä nationaliä, yritysjärjestelmää, sporteja ja asioita 24 tuntia päivänä. Puoliväri, Ted Turner, oli myös suurin filantropi, joka donoitti yli miljoonan dollarin luomaan Yhdysvaltojen.

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It's a public charity aimed at boosting American support for the UN. Christiane Amanpour is CNN's chief international anchor. She knew Ted Turner from when she began working at CNN in 1983. She spoke to my colleague Evan Davis. Se on todella hyvä. Se on todella hyvä.

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It became a huge thing at the first Iraq war when suddenly it exploded really into, wow, this is covering it all the time and you can turn it on. And he had absolutely seen it. Is it true, as Wikipedia says, he famously said, we won't be signing off until the world ends. He absolutely did. He absolutely did. We have it on videotape, as they say.

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Ja kuinka mahtavaa se oli. Se, miksi hän sanoi sitä ja se luo niin paljon ilmoituksia, oli se, että CNN aloitti 1. juni 1980. Silloin hän johtoi julkisesti ja sanoi, että hän luo tätä maailmalle. Ja se oli hyvin vaikeaa, koska oli tapauksia, jolloin he menivät ulos budjetista, jolloin rahoitus oli vaikeaa.

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Olimme kutsuneet alussa, kun aloitin vuonna 1983, joka oli vain kolme vuotta myöhemmin aloituksesta, CNNin nimeltä Chicken Noodle News. Se tarkoittaa, että ihmiset olivat meitä ylittämällä. Ei kukaan odottanut, että CNN on lopettava. Nyt, 46 vuotta myöhemmin, olemme edelleen täällä, ja se on Tedin takia. Luulen, että hän sanoi, että emme soittaisi, koska pankkipalveluni ei näyttäisi niin hyvältä tänään. Olemme täällä maailmassa, ja siinä oli toinen aspekti.

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He were absolutely devoted to world peace and the elimination of nuclear weapons. He wasn't your typical billionaire mogul. There was a lot to the guy. He thought outside the box. He did. He was bold and he was courageous. He wasn't afraid to really go where nobody had strode before. He bust so many barriers.

Chapter 8: What is the significance of the newly verified mega tsunami?

1876.396 - 1914.128 Helena Burke

Jogia-oikeus Helena Burke reporting.

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And that's all from us for now. If you want to get in touch, you can email us at globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on X at BBC World Service. Use the hashtag globalnewspod. And don't forget our sister podcast, The Global Story, which goes in depth and beyond the headlines on one big story.

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This edition of the Global News Podcast was mixed by Chris Lovelock and produced by Paul Day and Wendy Urquhart. The editor is Karen Martin and I'm Ankur Desai. Until next time, goodbye. No se, että te pullokuitit pahimman varalle auttaa vähän.

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Yhteinen henkivakuutus auttaa paljon. Laske hinta ja turvapuolisosi jo tänään. if.fi kautta henkivakuutus. Henkivakuutuksen Yhteistyöliiton jäsenelle myöntää Kaleva-vakuutus, jonka asiamiehenä toimii IF-vakuutus.

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