Former US Presidents speak out against ICE crackdown

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Oliver Conway 0:00
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You're listening to the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. Hello, I'm Oliver Conway. We're recording this at 16 hours GMT on Monday the 26th of January. The former US President Bill Clinton urges Americans to stand up for their rights amid growing pressure over the latest ice killings in Minneapolis. The Israeli military says it's retrieved the remains of the last hostage from Gaza. And can a clean energy pact help wean Europe off Russian oil and gas?
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Oliver Conway 1:21
Celebrating 100 years of television. It is rare for ex-presidents to criticise their successors, but the killing of a second US citizen during the current immigration crackdown in Minneapolis has prompted two former American leaders to speak out. Bill Clinton called on people to stand up for their rights, while Barack Obama said the death of Alex Preti should be a wake-up call to every American, regardless of party, that many of our core values are under assault. The 37-year-old intensive care nurse was shot dead on Saturday after being forced to the ground by ICE agents. The killing prompted anger in the city.
Julia Manchester 2:04
I think it was completely senseless. It was murder. He was not threatening. He was not attacking ICE. And I think the government is lying about what they're doing to cover up. They're killing people in the streets. It needs to stop. We need ICE out now.
Oliver Conway 2:19
But supporters of the immigration crackdown criticised protesters and political leaders who backed them. Kevin Toohey spent 27 years at the Immigration Enforcement Agency. The governor of the state, Tim Walz, has stated to people, and of course the mayor, to go out there to record and get in their face, get in their business. And when law enforcement professionals are conducting operations, they do not need people around them harassing them, bothering them, adding to their extra stress, okay? They're already worried about arresting this person. Is this person going to have a gun? Is this person going to fight me? But when you're surrounded by an additional 50 or 100 people yelling, blowing whistles at you, disrupting everything, that causes extra stress and additional factors to the arrest of that person.
Julia Manchester 3:09
If he was a peaceful protester, what is he doing bringing a gun to a peaceful protest?
Oliver Conway 3:16
However, police said Alex Preti held the weapon legally, and the gun owners of America issued a statement saying... The government claimed Alex Preti had threatened the ICE agents with his pistol... But footage of the incident appears to show that he never drew his weapon and was shot multiple times after it had been taken away from him by one of the agents. The killing of Alex Preti and René-Nicole Good a few weeks earlier has led to disquiet among some Republicans just nine months before the midterm elections. The president himself appears to have softened his hard line on deploying agents to Minneapolis, saying in an interview published on Sunday, ''At some point, we will leave.'' Julia Manchester is a political reporter at The Hill.
Oliver Conway 4:06
She's been telling Laura Maxwell about the fallout.
Julia Manchester 4:09
Reaction from across both sides of the political spectrum, Republican and Democrat, has been one of shock and a lot of deep concern and horror to an extent. Of course, you have administration officials like Kristi Noem, for example, the Homeland Security Secretary, saying that Alex Preddy was brandishing a weapon from the multiple angles of video that we've seen.

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