Why do smart, well-intentioned people still struggle to connect across differences? This week, Guy Kawasaki sits down with renowned social psychologist Claude M. Steele to explore the hidden tension he calls "churn"—the quiet anxiety that shapes how we think, perform, and relate to one another. Drawing from decades of groundbreaking research and his new book, Churn: The Tension That Divides Us and How to Overcome It, Claude explains why building trust matters more than eliminating prejudice, and how small changes can transform schools, workplaces, and everyday relationships. Along the way, he shares practical insights for reducing uncertainty, recognizing people's full humanity, and creating environments where everyone can thrive.--Guy Kawasaki is on a mission to make you remarkable. His Remarkable People podcast features interviews with remarkable people such as Jane Goodall, Marc Benioff, Woz, Kristi Yamaguchi, and Bob Cialdini. Every episode will make you more remarkable.With his decades of experience in Silicon Valley as a Venture Capitalist and advisor to the top entrepreneurs in the world, Guy’s questions come from a place of curiosity and passion for technology, start-ups, entrepreneurship, and marketing. If you love society and culture, documentaries, and business podcasts, take a second to follow Remarkable People.Listeners of the Remarkable People podcast will learn from some of the most successful people in the world with practical tips and inspiring stories that will help you be more remarkable.Episodes of Remarkable People organized by topic: https://bit.ly/rptopologyListen to Remarkable People here: **https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/guy-kawasakis-remarkable-people/id1483081827**Produced by Madisun Nuismer and Jeff Sieh. Research provided by Tessa Nuismer

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