The A.I. Trade Secrets War + Economists Say ‘We Must Act Now’ + HatGPT
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Introducing the Problem Solvers, a new series from Anthropic about the startup founders who are going further with Cloud. Like Max Unistrand, co-founder and CEO at Legora, a collaborative AI workspace for lawyers.
Our system gets better with every new model release. And we certainly saw this when we started embedding more and more of the Anthropic models into Legora. This exchange of ideas, what's working, what's not working, where do we need to push further? That has been incredible.
Watch the series at cloud.com slash problem solvers.
Well, Casey, I had a very confusing experience this week because I ordered a new ice cream scoop. This ice cream scoop is the one I have used for many years, but one of the drawbacks about it is if you put it in the dishwasher, it gets totally ruined. What did I have to say?
Major design flaw for an ice cream scoop. A device that is going to want to be washed at regular intervals.
Yes, you have to hand watch this thing. So I get a new one. It comes in a box, and there's a little sticker on the ice cream scoop that says, this product contains AI. Oh, no. Not artificial ice cream. I'm thinking... What? I have been using this same ice cream scoop for like 10 years, and all of a sudden it is upgraded to AI? Like, what is the AI? I did not order this. Like, is it connecting to, you know, to chat GPT, to like tell it what flavor ice cream I'm doing?
What is going on here? I really am bracing myself because the number of things in my life that used to be very simple and now require something called a firmware update is out of control. And so if my ice cream scoop needed a firmware update, I'd be very upset.
It also like doesn't ship with a charger or anything. It doesn't have any ports on it. So I'm like, how the hell does this ice cream scoop have AI? And I stare at this just like bewildered for like five minutes. And then I realize it's talking about aluminum. It's using the chemical symbol for aluminum. This product contains AL. And then I felt stupid. I'm Kevin Roos, a tech columnist at the New York Times.
I'm Casey Noon from Platformer. And this is Hard Fork. This week, OpenAI has a great new model and a big new legal problem. Then, Stanford economist Eric Brynjolfsson is here to discuss a new warning from hundreds of economists and researchers about the growing risk of AI job loss. And finally, some Hatch EBT starring Lorde. You can remember the green light. Is that a Lorde joke? Kevin, would you listen to one gay pop song?
Well, Casey, a lot is happening in AI this week. Specifically, I feel like it's been a very big open AI news week.
Yeah, and I feel like it's actually been a minute since we checked in on them. And so I was glad that there was such a series of events that I felt like, okay, yeah, we can actually return to this company now.
So before we do this, of course, we should make our AI disclosures. I work for the New York Times, which is suing OpenAI along with Microsoft and Perplexity. And my fiance works at Anthropic. So let's just get a few things ticked off here. The first thing was a personnel shift. Fiji Simo, the former CEO of Applications, I believe, was her title at OpenAI.
That was her initial title. It was later changed to CEO of AGI Deployment.
Okay, so she's leaving the company. She was on an extended medical leave due to some health problems she had had. She is now officially stepping back from that role, and her roles will be divided up among other executives. Casey, what did you make of this?
Very sad story. Obviously, anytime somebody has to leave a job for reasons other than they wanted to, It is sad. Simo was there for less than a year and I think was able to accomplish some of what she wanted and did play a role in pushing the company to streamline some of its offerings and cut back on some of the projects that, in my view, were distractions, such as the Sora AI video generator. But I think she had much bigger ambitions there that she didn't get to realize. And in terms of OpenAI going forward, it is yet more executive turmoil at a company that has had a lot of that over the past year.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–19:14
2
What’s the Apple vs OpenAI trade‑secrets lawsuit and who is accused?
19:14–24:28
3
What specific allegations does Apple make about OpenAI’s hiring and hardware tactics?
24:28–45:20
4
How might Apple’s lawsuit affect OpenAI’s hardware plans and industry competition?
45:20–1:06:16
5
What is GPT Sol (5.6) and how is it changing the AI model landscape?
1:06:16–1:13:39
Speakers
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