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Hidden Brain

Keeping Secrets

02 Feb 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the significance of keeping secrets in our lives?

2.461 - 27.152 Shankar Vedantam

This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam. You're sitting in a school bus next to your best friend. She tells you about the time she stole an eraser from the teacher's desk. You wonder whether you should tell her about the time you stole a plush toy from a store. As the bus rolls along, you go back and forth in your mind and then decide against it.

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A few years later, you're at your high school prom. At the end of the evening, you share a kiss with your prom date, who turns out to have bad breath. This is not someone you are interested in long term. Do you share the information or withhold it?

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Chapter 2: How do secrets affect our mental health and relationships?

55.576 - 80.005 Shankar Vedantam

Or consider a much more serious situation later in life. You're in a long-term relationship and you realize that for some years now, you have been questioning your own sexual orientation. Your partner would be crushed to hear about it. Things are generally going well in your relationship and you don't have immediate plans to act on your secret feelings. Is it best to keep them to yourself?

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At every stage of life, we find ourselves confronted with dilemmas like this. There is a part of us that wants to share, to have the world see us as we truly are. And there is a part of us that sees how people are brought down by scandal and gossip. And a cautious voice inside us says, be smart, keep your mouth shut.

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113.212 - 124.076 Shankar Vedantam

In today's show and our episode next week, and also in a special episode of Hidden Brain+, we explore the psychological costs and benefits of self-concealment and self-disclosure.

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Chapter 3: What dilemmas do people face when deciding to share secrets?

125.659 - 158.637 Shankar Vedantam

Keeping Secrets, this week on Hidden Brain+. In the course of a day, countless thoughts and feelings enter our minds. We share some of these thoughts and feelings with others, but we keep most of them to ourselves. When is it smart to share? When is it smart to hide? Is there scientific evidence that can guide us on what we should do?

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160.219 - 167.447 Shankar Vedantam

At Harvard University, psychologist Leslie John has spent many years studying these questions. Leslie John, welcome to Hidden Brain.

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167.987 - 169.729 Leslie John

Thank you so much for having me, Shankar.

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170.722 - 175.331 Shankar Vedantam

Leslie, one of your favorite TV programs is the British comedy series, Mr. Bean.

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Chapter 4: What does research say about the costs of self-concealment?

175.892 - 183.668 Shankar Vedantam

There's one particular episode that you enjoy. And for people who are unfamiliar with the show, who is Mr. Bean and what is he doing in the scene?

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184.711 - 209.048 Leslie John

I love Mr. Bean. Mr. Bean is a comic mime, I would say, and his sweet spot is he finds these very relatable human situations, these quandaries we get ourselves in, and then he comes up with absurd... almost childlike solution. So it's a really, really endearing and hilarious show.

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209.288 - 230.494 Leslie John

And also brings me back to my childhood because my father and I are the jokers of the family, and we're huge Mr. Bean fans. So in this particular little sketch, Mr. Bean goes to a fancy schmancy restaurant and orders steak tartare, doesn't realize that that's essentially raw meat.

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231.215 - 244.032 Leslie John

And so the waiter comes out with his meal with great flair, opens up the silver cloche that's on top of the plate, and to Mr. Bean's horror, like his face, says it all.

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Chapter 5: How can opening up lead to deeper connections?

244.052 - 253.304 Leslie John

He's completely aghast. What have I done? But yet, the... The waiter, you know, the waiter, of course, asks, how's it doing?

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Is everything all right, sir?

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255.526 - 259.29 Leslie John

And Mr. Bean does this, like, his smiley, oh, yes, everything is great.

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Oh, yes.

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261.453 - 279.332 Leslie John

And then the waiter leaves, and then what Mr. Bean proceeds to do is grab little dollops of the steak, of the raw meat, and put it wherever he can to get rid of it. Because you have to follow through with the lie, right? You have to show progress on eating it.

Chapter 6: What are the psychological effects of self-disclosure?

279.312 - 303.092 Leslie John

So, yeah, so he like puts a little bit in the fuzz and then he leans back and he puts a little bit in the woman's purse behind him. He hollows out a dinner roll and shoves it in. And then he even takes a dollop, sticks it directly on the table and sticks the plate to it like cement. So good.

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312.944 - 319.951 Shankar Vedantam

I understand that you had your own Mr. Bean moment some years ago. Can you set the scene for me and tell me what happened?

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319.971 - 333.083 Leslie John

Yeah. So I was a baby academic and I was invited out to give a talk at Berkeley. So totally swoon worthy place. And two superstar scholars invited me out.

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Chapter 7: How do societal perceptions influence our willingness to share?

333.103 - 356.621 Leslie John

They're married and they invited me out to their house for dinner after the day. And so here I am, this googly eyed, junior academic walking through the Berkeley Hills, walking to their house. I get there and they open the door and they say, oh, we are so excited you're here. We went to the market today and we're making steak tartare. It's our favorite. It's so special.

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356.641 - 367.806 Leslie John

And we only want to do the most special things for you. They laid it on thick. And yeah, so I was like, oh my gosh, I want to be Mr. Mean right now.

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Chapter 8: What lessons can we learn from personal experiences with secrets?

367.826 - 391.855 Leslie John

I want to do what he does. But obviously I couldn't. So I pretended I was too ashamed, embarrassed, trying to make a good impression, trying to pretend I like highfalutin things. And I ate it. I got through it. In fact, I've never told them this. So maybe they'll hear this and we'll have a good laugh over it. But yeah, that was my Mr. Bean moment.

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398.045 - 413.654 Shankar Vedantam

So concealment can sometimes have bigger consequences, Leslie. You tell the story of two women you know. You call them Jennifer and Donna. When the story starts, Jennifer is preparing for an important event in her life. Paint a picture of the scene for me, Leslie.

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414.435 - 443.45 Leslie John

Yeah, so Jennifer was about 28 years old, and she was on the cusp of a... major life milestone. The next month, she was slated to marry her betrothed, her fiance, Philip. The only thing was that she was starting to get these kind of nagging thoughts, these nagging doubts. And she didn't know, are these just like normal wedding jitters? Is that a thing?

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443.57 - 467.547 Leslie John

Or is this something I should pay more attention to? So she was really close with her mother, Donna, and she decided to give her mom a call. And so the phone, as the phone rings, Jennifer is transported back to her childhood home where her parents still lived. And, you know, she's thinking about the living room where she and her brothers would do WWF wrestling matches.

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467.587 - 497.897 Leslie John

And then she thinks about the den where she envisions her mom to be at that time, sitting cozied up in the in the den with its bedding. faux wood paneling walls and all. And then suddenly, hello? And Jennifer says, hi, mom, it's me. Donna immediately senses something's up and says, what's up, my chick? And then Jennifer said to her mother, well, you know,

499.025 - 521.113 Leslie John

I just I don't know about these feelings I'm having. And when I think about it, I really love Philip, but I love him like my best friend. And I don't know that I have like passionate love for him. And I don't know. Is that a problem? Because I really love him in a best friend kind of way. And Donna listened.

521.574 - 521.674 Donna

Yeah.

522.599 - 543.679 Leslie John

And then Jennifer said, Mom, how did you know that you wanted to marry Dad? Because Jennifer always looked up to their marriage so much. They just seemed like they were amazing parents and they just seemed so happy. And that's all that Jennifer wanted was a really stable, loving, wonderful relationship. And her mom said, Huh.

544.013 - 569.306 Leslie John

It's funny, Jen, that you should ask because a month before I married your father, I was actually having similar doubts. And, oh, I'm so glad I went ahead with marrying him because look how happy we are. Look at how great our marriage is. We work. And she said, like, Jen, I know you. You're like me. You struggle to make decisions. You ruminate. You question everything.

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