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Hidden Brain

Love 2.0: Reimagining Our Relationships

13 Oct 2025

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0.031 - 28.085 Shankar Vedantam

This is Hidden Brain. I'm Shankar Vedantam. No matter how many weddings you've been to, it's hard to shake that contagious feeling of optimism. Couples pledge to love one another in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer. Family members dab tears from their eyes, agreeing that these two people are meant to be together forever. But so many marriages become unhappy. Some dissolve.

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28.966 - 51.737 Shankar Vedantam

Some end in divorce. And even the successful ones are not without challenges. No one would deny that long-term relationships are hard. And in fact, there's evidence they're getting harder. Over the past few weeks, our Love 2.0 series has explored new ways to think about how we engage with romantic partners and spouses.

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52.799 - 73.065 Shankar Vedantam

We've talked about how to build new bonds with our significant others, how to strengthen the bonds we already have. We've looked at how we respond to our partner's most annoying habits and how we can let go of our desire to change them. Today, we bring you a classic episode that many listeners have told us is one of their favorites.

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73.766 - 78.052 Shankar Vedantam

It's about the changing nature of marriage in the United States and other parts of the world.

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78.733 - 88.908 Eli Finkel

Lots of people argue that having these high expectations is problematic and it's harming the institution of marriage. And frankly, among the people who used to argue that is myself.

89.749 - 119.323 Shankar Vedantam

How our expectations of marriage have evolved and a paradoxical way to achieve more happiness in our relationships... This week on Hidden Brain. To understand marriage today, we thought it best to go back to a time and place when marriage was very different.

119.523 - 130.866 Stephanie Coontz

Well, I've been studying the history of family life for many, many years, but I specifically got interested in marriage as we got into these debates about what traditional marriage was.

131.808 - 150.65 Shankar Vedantam

That's Stephanie Koontz. She's an emeritus professor at the Evergreen State College and the author of the book Marriage, a History, How Love Conquered Marriage. I interviewed her back in 2017. Stephanie says the earliest marriages had nothing to do with the feelings of two people or their attraction to one another.

151.512 - 157.326 Shankar Vedantam

As you probably know, marriage was much more about economics and acquiring powerful in-laws.

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