E145: Is a 35% IRR Really Achievable? Exploring Search Fund Returns
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How did Robert Cherun find and scale a successful business?
We ended up finding a security business called at the time UCIT Online Security in Toronto. And six months later, we bought it from the entrepreneur. And how did that play out? Amazing. It kind of exceeded my expectations. So we bought this 5 million revenue, 2 million EBITDA strip mall security business. And the entrepreneur Sydney agreed to stick around and kind of help us run Toronto sales while we focus on strategy and growing the business. And we grew organically 20, 30% a year for the 12 years I was CEO. We just sold to a strategic as 150 million ARR business with 2000 employees, 40 plus offices, five countries. It was an amazing platform for us to kind of completely change the profile of the business and make it the largest independent remote video monitoring company in North America. What is a search fund?
What is a search fund and how does it work?
So it's a model for acquiring a small established business where a group of investors would provide funding to an entrepreneur, or we like to call them a searcher, to go out and find a business to acquire, manage and grow. So they would spend up to kind of 24 months to find that business. And then they would take over that business and run it day to day. So they would be the actual CEO and or president of the business. It allows the searcher to take over leadership and create value through operational improvements, market expansion, and strategy changes. What are the historical returns for search funds? There's been over 681 search funds formed in the US and Canada since 1984, when the concept kind of started out of Harvard and Stanford.
Are 35% IRR returns realistic in search funds?
And based on a 2024 search fund study by Stanford, we're still tracking to 35% net IRRs and a four and a half times ROI. To play devil's advocate, assuming these kinds of returns, why hasn't the space gotten bigger? Why haven't institutional investors piled into it and unpack that for me?
Why haven't institutional investors dominated the search fund space?
The most obvious answer is you're dealing with a micro caps, small cap space where you can't put real dollars to work. You're buying five to $30 million businesses with call it million dollar checks and institutional investors just can't put enough money to work. And so it's typically been an asset class for high net worth individuals, but that's why it hasn't scaled to kind of the institutional platforms. Unpack an individual search fund or search fund opportunity and tell me how it's capitalized through its life cycle. Typically the searcher would raise, you know, call it 500,000 to a million to find the business. And that would essentially be funded by 10 or so entrepreneurs, investors that they've reached out to. And so each investor would have 10% of their cap table. Then those investors get pro rata rights when the searcher finds the business.
How are search funds capitalized and what is their lifecycle?
So let's say I find, you know, the best HVAC company known on earth. And I write a 50 page SIM. I then present it to my investors and say, I want to buy this business. It's doing 10 million in revenue, 2 million of EBITDA. I want to buy it for five times EBITDA. I'm going to put 50% leverage on it. So I need a $5 million equity check. So each of those investors would have their pro rata rates for 500,000 in that example. And they would then kind of buy that business on behalf of the searcher. You run a fund that invests into search fund opportunities. How do you go about constructing the portfolio? Talk to me a little bit about your strategy. I'm investing in the entrepreneur to then look for the business. And then I'm investing in the businesses that the entrepreneur buys. My construct is. having at least 10 to 20 searchers a year in my portfolio running and looking for businesses. I then choose which businesses I want to invest in as my fund.
And then my portfolio construct would typically be about 70% through those acquisitions, about 15% in follow on capital and about 50% in management fees. How do you look at the TAM of search fund opportunities and walk me through from a top down level?
What is the strategy for investing in search fund opportunities?
The space has grown significantly over the last 15 years. To give you context, when I did it in 2010, There was no traditional search fund out of HBS. There was no traditional search fund out of Wharton. And there was one other group out of Stanford. And that was one of the first ever Canadian search fund stories. Now, there's dozens coming from each of those schools doing search.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How did Robert Cherun find and scale a successful business?
0:00–0:54
2
What is a search fund and how does it work?
0:54–1:30
3
Are 35% IRR returns realistic in search funds?
1:30–1:48
4
Why haven't institutional investors dominated the search fund space?
1:48–2:32
5
How are search funds capitalized and what is their lifecycle?
2:32–3:31
6
What is the strategy for investing in search fund opportunities?
3:31–4:10
7
How has the search fund ecosystem evolved over the years?
4:10–7:48
8
Can the search fund model work in startups?
7:48–21:11
Speakers
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