In this episode, Nolan and Kelli chat humanity in leadership with Michelle Weaver, CFO at Twitch (now part of Amazon). Michelle Weaver has 25 years experience including Hired (with Kelli), StitchFix, Axiom, Gap, Inc. and EA.Michelle emphasises the importance of a human-first leadership approach and that growth and learning can come from the projects you work on, not just promotions. The team all agree that building a strong relationship with the CFO builds a strong business foundation and knowing the business you’re in makes you a stronger leader. They also advocate for taking the wins from experiences with bad managers by being the outcome you want to see.Michelle also offers advice on selecting the company you want to work for and understanding the 'why' behind business numbers. She also goes deep on staying grounded through the M&A process and gives her own spin on personal growth and burnout in high-stress environments. HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.Share this with your friends, forward to your enemies. Get new episodes straight to your inbox: HRHeretics.substack.com.SPONSOR:Attio is the next generation of CRM. It’s powerful, flexible and easily configures to the unique way your startup runs, whatever your go-to-market motion. The next era deserves a better CRM. Join Replicate, ElevenLabs, Modal and more at https://bit.ly/AttioHRHereticsKEEP UP WITH MICHELLE, NOLAN, + KELLI ON LINKEDINMichelle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-weaver/Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Intro(01:45) The Human Side of Being a CFO(04:10) Rethinking Team Management and Development(06:20) Promotions and Organisational Changes(08:03) Sponsor Ad: Attio CRM(08:59) The Power of CFO and CPO Collaboration(12.18) Structural Alignments Within The Company(15.46) The CPO interviewing the CFO (17:16) Choosing the Right Company(21:10) The Expansion of Gaming(24:06) M&A Trends and Staying Grounded(27:37) The Role of a CFO in Navigating M&A Challenges(30:31) Deep Dive into the M&A Process(32:45) Red Flags and Deal Breakers in M&A(37:15) Addressing Burnout and Understanding What Your Passion Is(42:59) How to Discover Your Passion(48:00) Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit hrheretics.substack.com

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