In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich weigh in on a listener's question (shoutout Karissa!) about implementing 'bar raiser' interview programs at her Series D company. Are they worth the hype, or just an HR trend? Kelli and Nolan dig in.You too can email us your questions or topics for Kelli & Nolan: [email protected] Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.Support HR Heretics Sponsors:Metaview is the AI assistant for interviewing. Metaview completely removes the need for recruiters and hiring managers to take notes during interviews—because their AI is designed to take world-class interview notes for you. Team builders at companies like Brex, Hellofresh, and Quora say Metaview has changed the game—see the magic for yourself: https://www.metaview.ai/hereticsDiscover Workvivo, Zoom’s employee experience platform, designed to delight your hybrid workforce. With dynamic and intuitive features people actually like using, Workvivo fosters a sense of belonging and boosts retention and productivity. Join Ryanair, Dollar General, and Virgin — head to https://bit.ly/hrhereticsworkvivo to book a demo (tell them Kelli and Nolan sent you).Planful empowers teams just like yours to unlock the secrets of successful workforce planning. Use data-driven insights to develop accurate forecasts, close hiring gaps, and adjust talent acquisition plans collaboratively based on costs today and into the future. ✍️ Go to http://planful.com/heretics to see how you can transform your HR strategy.KEEP UP WITH NOLAN, + KELLI ON LINKEDINNolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/—TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Intro(00:21) Implementing a bar raiser interview process(00:57) Amazon's Bar Raiser Program(01:36) Rebranding the "Bar Raiser" Process(02:42) The Amazon Approach(03:24) Avoiding Bias & Alternative Approaches(04:46) DoorDash's Experience(06:00) Challenges & Trade-offs(07:18) Sponsor: Metaview | Workvivo(08:16) DoorDash's Shift From the "Bar Raiser" Program(10:18) Alternatives & First Principles(12:31) Addressing CEO Expectations(13:25) Bias & Homogeneous Cultures(14:44) The Role of CEOs & Founders(15:19) Diligence & Feedback(17:21) Going Slow to Go Fast(18:17) Misaligned Expectations(19:10) Start Small & Experiment(19:33) Wrap(19:47) Sponsor: Planful This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit hrheretics.substack.com

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