In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich interview Sally Thornton, founder of Forshay. Sally shares insights on the fractional executive placement business she's built since 2011. Thornton emphasizes that successful fractional work requires consultative skills, boundary management, and rapid trust-building rather than simply scoped part-time arrangements. If you're thinking of going fractional, this is a must-listen discussion.*Email us your questions or topics for Kelli & Nolan: [email protected] coaching and advising inquire at https://kellidragovich.com/HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.Support HR Heretics Sponsors:Planful empowers teams just like yours to unlock the secrets of successful workforce planning. Use data-driven insights to develop accurate forecasts, close hiring gaps, and adjust talent acquisition plans collaboratively based on costs today and into the future. ✍️ Go to https://planful.com/heretics to see how you can transform your HR strategy.Metaview is the AI assistant for interviewing. Metaview completely removes the need for recruiters and hiring managers to take notes during interviews—because their AI is designed to take world-class interview notes for you. Team builders at companies like Brex, Hellofresh, and Quora say Metaview has changed the game—see the magic for yourself: https://www.metaview.ai/hereticsKEEP UP WITH SALLY, NOLAN + KELLI ON LINKEDINSally: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sallythornton/Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/—LINK/S:Forshay: https://forshay.com/—TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Intro(01:58) What Forge Does(02:33) Trust Barriers in Fractional Work(03:25) The Relational Approach(04:36) Buyer Mindset Challenges(06:10) Marketplaces vs. Agents(10:00) The Adverse Selection Problem(10:56) The Dirty Secret of Fractional(11:45) Different Interview Approach(13:03) Consulting Background Advantage(13:53) Sponsors: Planful | Metaview(16:57) The Ideal Buyer(17:26) Early vs. Late Stage Company Challenges(18:24) CFOs Make Better Clients(18:59) Transparent Pricing Model(21:41) Hourly Rate Guidelines(22:41) W2 vs. 1099 Considerations(23:27) The Honeymoon Phase(24:52) Managing Client Expectations(26:46) Beyond Filling Open Roles(29:08) The Assessment Process(34:29) Evolution from Interim to Fractional(37:05) Advice for New Fractional Execs(38:15) The Black Hole Complaint(40:11) Career Self-Management(42:11) Sustaining a 15-Year Business(43:06) Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit hrheretics.substack.com

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