Your Next Hire Might Be a Deepfake with Danielle Mathis, VP Global Talent at Clari

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In this episode of HR Heretics, Nolan Church talk to Danielle Mathis, Vice President, Global Talent & HRBP of Clari, revealing how fraudsters orchestrated an elaborate recruitment scam, deceiving 12 job seekers with fake offers while harvesting their personal data. The shocking conversation exposes the dark reality of deepfake candidates infiltrating hiring processes and why traditional recruitment methods are dangerously obsolete in our AI-manipulated world.*Email us your questions or topics for Kelli & Nolan: [email protected] coaching and advising inquire at https://kellidragovich.com/HR Heretics is a podcast from Turpentine.Support HR Heretics Sponsors:📝 Planful empowers teams just like yours to unlock the secrets of successful workforce planning. Use data-driven insights to develop accurate forecasts, close hiring gaps, and adjust talent acquisition plans collaboratively based on costs today and into the future. ✍️ Go to https://planful.com/heretics to see how you can transform your HR strategy.📋 Metaview is the AI assistant for interviewing. Metaview completely removes the need for recruiters and hiring managers to take notes during interviews—because their AI is designed to take world-class interview notes for you. Team builders at companies like Brex, Hellofresh, and Quora say Metaview has changed the game—see the magic for yourself: https://www.metaview.ai/hereticsKEEP UP WITH DANIELLE, NOLAN + KELLI ON LINKEDINDanielle: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mathisdanielle/Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/—LINKS:Clari: http://www.clari.com/—TIMESTAMPS:(00:00) Intro(00:58) The Fraud Discovery(02:38) The Scale Emerges(03:55) Victim Impact Assessment(07:24) Silver Lining - Hiring from the Chaos(08:31) The Criminal Motive Revealed(09:54) FBI Investigation Process(11:13) Law Enforcement Response(11:54) Second Wave - Text Message Scams(13:22) Industry-Wide Problem Recognition(14:14) Sponsors: Planful | Metaview(17:18) Mitigation Strategies Implemented(20:18) Enter the Deepfake Candidates(21:27) Firsthand Deepfake Experience(22:36) New Defense Protocols(24:12) The Inbound Application Dilemma(26:26) Adding Friction to Combat Fraud(28:27) Future-Proofing Against AI Threats(29:03) Wrap This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit hrheretics.substack.com

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