Chapter 1: What are the main differences between colds and flu?
Welcome to the Huberman Lab Podcast, where we discuss science and science-based tools for everyday life. I'm Andrew Huberman, and I'm a professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford School of Medicine. Today, we are discussing colds and flus.
We will talk about what a cold really is and what a flu really is in terms of how they impact your brain and body. And of course, we will discuss how to avoid getting colds and flus. There are indeed some excellent science-supported techniques to avoid getting colds and flus, but of course, it is impossible to completely avoid ever getting a cold or flu in your lifetime.
So we also discuss how to more quickly get over a cold or flu should you happen to catch one. So during today's discussion, I'll talk about the immune system. I'll give you some mechanistic understanding of how your immune system works. And I promise to make that discussion accessible to everybody, regardless of whether or not you have a background in biology.
And with that understanding of how your immune system works, you will be in a much better position to understand which tools, that is which protocols to implement, should you be exposed to a cold or flu, or if you are trying to get over a cold or flu more quickly than you would otherwise. You'll learn about some potent behavioral tools for bolstering your immune system.
And we will also discuss various compounds that you might consider taking to enhance the function of your immune system to ward off or treat colds and flus. I will also be dispelling a number of common myths about treatments for the common cold and for the flu.
There are oh so many ideas out there about what one could take or do in order to avoid getting the cold or flu or more quickly get relief from a cold or flu. However, many of those are pure myth. There's just no science to support them. And indeed, there's some science that counters those ideas.
But the good news is there are indeed science-supported behavioral protocols and compounds that one could consider in order to avoid and treat colds and flus. Before we begin, I'd like to emphasize that this podcast is separate from my teaching and research roles at Stanford.
It is, however, part of my desire and effort to bring zero cost to consumer information about science and science-related tools to the general public. In keeping with that theme, I'd like to thank the sponsors of today's podcast. Today's episode is also brought to us by Waking Up.
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Chapter 2: How does the immune system respond to cold and flu viruses?
For those of you who don't know, yoga nidra is a process of lying very still, but keeping an active mind. It's very different than most meditations. And there's excellent scientific data to show that yoga nidra and something similar to it called non-sleep deep rest, or NSDR, can greatly restore levels of cognitive and physical energy, even with just a short 10 minute session.
If you'd like to try the Waking Up app, you can go to wakingup.com slash Huberman and access a free 30 day trial. Again, that's wakingup.com slash Huberman to access a free 30 day trial. Okay, let's talk about the common cold. First off, no, unfortunately today, I cannot tell you the cure for the common cold because indeed there isn't one.
One interesting question, however, is why don't we have a cure for the common cold? And the reason is that the cold virus, as it's referred to, is actually a bunch of different viruses. Some colds are caused by one, what's called serotype of the virus, other colds, are caused by a different serotype of the virus. There are over 160 different types of what people call the cold virus.
Now, cold viruses fall under an umbrella of a general category of viruses called rhinoviruses. You can remember that easily because rhino sounds like rhino's horn or the rhinoceros horn, which is, of course, in the center of the rhino's face, which is where your nose is. And the cold almost always causes some degree of nasal symptoms in humans.
It's either runny nose or sneezing or stuffed up nose, or sometimes unfortunately, all three. Now, the reason we don't have a cure for the common cold is that all of those different serotypes of the cold virus mean that the virus itself has a different shape on its outside. And as a consequence, even if you've been exposed to a cold and you've developed antibodies against that cold virus,
the next cold that comes along very likely has a different shape, and therefore your body's antibodies to the cold virus it combated successfully before can't latch onto and defeat that next different serotype of the cold virus. Now, a little bit later, I'll talk about the immune system and how those different antibodies are generated, but for the time being,
Understanding that there are a lot of different types of cold viruses explains, first of all, why we don't have a cure for the common cold, but also why you can get multiple colds within a given year or even within a given season, because even if you develop antibodies against one serotype of the cold virus,
A different serotype can come along and you can get sick again with that new serotype of the cold virus. So how do you catch a cold? Now, one of the problems with the cold virus being called the cold virus and the fact that indeed there are more cold viruses present and transmitted between humans in the cold winter months of the year
is that people generally assume that it is the cold temperatures outside that actually give you a cold virus. And that is simply not true.
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Chapter 3: What behavioral tools can enhance immune system function?
The virus that we call the cold virus, is spread by breathing or by sneezing or by people sneezing or coughing or breathing onto their hands and then touching surfaces and then other people touching those surfaces and then touching most likely their eyes in order to self-infect. Now we're going to get into the details of how far the virus can spread
with a sneeze, how long it can survive on the hands, et cetera. But for the time being, know this, the cold virus is a pretty stable virus in that it can survive on surfaces, non-human or human surfaces, meaning skin or on a table or on a glass or on a door handle for up to 24 hours. So for all you hypochondriacs out there, I probably just gave you a little spike in cortisol.
And for you non-hypochondriacs, I hope what I just said cues you to the fact that just avoiding people who are sneezing and coughing is not sufficient to avoid getting colds and flus. However, The fact that a cold virus is alive and well on a given surface, let's say on a door handle, does not mean that if you touch that door handle that you will necessarily be infected with that cold virus.
And that's because your skin actually provides an excellent barrier against most viruses and bacteria. your skin also includes a lot of antiviral substances on it. Even if you haven't put any of that alcohol stuff or the hand sanitizer stuff on, your skin is a very important barrier component of your immune system. We're going to talk about that a little bit later.
But if somebody has a cold and they happen to perhaps wipe their nose or sneeze into a tissue, hopefully into a tissue, and then discard that tissue, The cold virus particles are extremely small. How small? Well, most of us are familiar with thinking about centimeters or inches.
If you think about a millimeter being one one-hundredth of a centimeter, well, you can take a millimeter and you can divide that up into a bunch of little slices also such that you get the micron. The micron is one one-thousandth of a centimeter.
And if you want to get a sense of how thick or thin that is, the side of a credit card, the little thin side of a credit card is about 200 microns thick. So if you set your credit card flat on a table and then you look at it from the side, that tiny, tiny, thin little edge, that's about 200 microns. The cold virus is made up of particles that are probably in the range of about five microns or so.
So it's extremely small. I mean, the cold virus, therefore, with a good sneeze or even a light sneeze, can spread really far. Now, the good news is those particles are relatively heavy. They don't tend to mist about in the air for very long. they tend to fall down onto the ground or onto surfaces. But as I mentioned before, they can survive for a very long time on those surfaces.
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Chapter 4: How does nutrition impact immune health?
So should you touch your hand to a door handle or table or shake the hand of somebody that has cold virus on their hands, either because they themselves have a cold or they contacted somebody else that had cold virus and it somehow landed on their hands just because the other person sneezed, all these scenarios are very realistic.
That cold virus will not infect you unless it can get inside of your body. And one of the primary entry points of it getting inside your body is via the eyes, by wiping that cold virus on your eyes. Now you may think, okay, I'm just not going to touch my eyes. But a little bit later, we're going to talk about a study that shows that
Almost always, indeed, almost always when you meet somebody new, you touch your eyes. And the frequency of people touching their face, that is the region of the face around the eyes and their eyes throughout the day is extremely high. So this is one of the primary routes by which the cold virus is transmitted from one person to the next.
But of course, there's also the route that we're all familiar with, which is the person that is sneezing or coughing, or blowing their nose into tissues and then throwing them in the trash and not washing their hands after each and every time they do that.
So an important aspect of today's discussion that we will get into once I also present to you what a flu is and how it differs from the cold is that we're going to need to talk about what stage of infection people are actually contagious with the cold or flu. And there's actually a lot of mythology about this. In fact, there's a lot of just lying about this.
People will be coughing or sneezing and they'll say, oh yeah, I'm not contagious any longer. Or people make up these things like, oh, you know, if you had the flu for two days, then you're no longer contagious or that you can't be contagious until you have symptoms. So we're going to go through all the aspects of contagion and how coughing or sneezing or how long you've had a cold or flu.
actually relates to whether or not you're contagious in a little bit. But for the time being, know that the cold virus is very, very small. It can be transmitted through the air. It can be transmitted via contact from skin to skin contact, and it can survive on surfaces for up to 24 hours. And when you touch those surfaces or a person
With the cold virus, most often the way it's going to get into your body and infect you such that you get a cold is by touching your eye region. Although touching other regions of your body can also pass the cold virus into you, for instance, the mouth and lips, but that's actually far less common. So we'll get into that in just a little bit.
Now, different serotypes, that is different types of cold virus, tend to create a different array of overall symptoms such that, you know, one cold might be a really, quote unquote, bad cold. Others are more mild. Some tend to induce more runny nose, others more stuffy head and a little bit of fever, or in some cases, a lot of fever.
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Chapter 5: What role does exercise play in preventing colds and flu?
If you are exposed to the cold virus, that doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to catch that cold virus. That is, if your immune system can fight off that cold, even if you've never been exposed to that serotype before, then you won't actually have that cold and you won't transmit it.
So put differently, it is possible to avoid getting a cold virus, even if you've never been exposed to that serotype of cold virus and you happen to come into contact with somebody who has that serotype of cold virus, or you touch a surface of some object, door handle, et cetera, that has a particular serotype of the cold virus on it, and God forbid, you then wipe your eyes.
That doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to get sick. And a good portion of today's episode is going to focus on tools that are supported by science that allow you to bolster your immune system and greatly increase the probability that even if you're exposed to a novel serotype of the cold virus, that is one that's new to you, that your body's never seen before, that you won't get sick.
Another thing to understand about the cold virus is that you're generally most contagious to other people when you feel at your worst. That is when you're coughing and sneezing and you got the stuffy head, watery eyes, and so on. But you can also be contagious to other people when you are starting to feel better.
That said, most of the data point to the fact that about five to six days after you hit your peak of worst symptoms, or I guess we should say your nadir, the dip of worst symptoms, because it's such an awful state to be in, you are probably exiting the phase in which you're contagious.
Now, I want to be very clear, that does not mean that if you've had a cold for five or six days that you are no longer contagious. If you continue to experience sneezing and coughing, watery eyes in the evening, you're feeling much worse. First thing in the morning, you're feeling especially groggy, et cetera. Well, then you are still contagious.
Another way to frame this is, you know those people that continue to show up at the gym and show up at work and they tell you, Yeah, I got this cold, but I've had it for a few days. I'm no longer contagious. And they're wiping their eyes and they're blowing their nose. Frankly, they don't know what they're talking about.
They are basically a walking, talking, breathing, sneezing, coughing, cold virus vector. A vector is a route for passage of a virus. Please, if you are sneezing, if you are coughing, if you are still experiencing the symptoms of a cold, stay home, stay away from other people as much as possible.
And I realize that some people simply cannot avoid going to work or cannot avoid interacting with other family members or other people if they have the cold virus, but this mythology that if we've had a cold for a few days and we're starting to feel better, but we're still exhibiting symptoms that we're not contagious, that is pure myth. It's simply not grounded in fact.
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Chapter 6: How can sauna use bolster the immune response?
There's an enormous financial and mental health cost and physical health cost to people getting the cold. And it's not just about people who are immune compromised or elderly people. What we're generally referring to as the cold today can be mild, it can be moderate. It can also be very severe and it can exacerbate other health issues that people have.
And we'll talk about that a little bit later and how to offset some of those health issues. Okay, so now let's talk about the flu virus. The flu virus is, as I mentioned, a virus. And just like with the cold, there are different serotypes of the flu virus. There are also different general categories of flu virus.
So you've got your A type flu viruses, your B type flu viruses, and your C type flu viruses. And by the way, I'm saying flu viruses, but of course I'm referring to influenza, but it's just, kind of commonplace nowadays to refer to influenza as the flu. Similar to cold viruses, the different types of flu viruses exist based on the different types of proteins that they express on their surface.
In fact, in the news over the last few years, there have been a number of different flu virus strains that have been described according to their surface protein characteristics. Things like the H1N1 virus. What is H1N1? H1N1 describes the different types of proteins that are expressed on the surface of that particular flu virus.
Now, the most common type of flu viruses are in that A category of flus. This is the type of flu that caused the Spanish flu. Now, the Spanish flu, which by the way, did not originate in Spain. People think it probably originated in New York or perhaps elsewhere, but certainly not in Spain. killed anywhere from 17 to 50 million people, depending on which literature you read.
That's an enormous number of people. And it occurred in four different waves of infection that occurred between the years 1918 and 1920. The Spanish flu was a type A H1N1 virus. And actually, it's worth noting that this winter season, there have been some cases of H1N1 already reported in the United States and elsewhere. Now, of course, the goal is always to contain
the propagation of those flu viruses.
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Chapter 7: What supplements are effective for preventing or treating colds and flu?
And that is done through a number of different approaches. The best and most reliable approach, of course, is to not come into contact with somebody that is carrying the H1N1 or any other type of flu virus. However, based on the way that the flu virus infects the body, the way that the symptoms emerge and the ways that viruses propagate, that can't always be avoided.
One thing to know, and I consider this a fortunate aspect of flu virus biology, is that the flu virus, unlike the cold virus, can only exist on surfaces for about two hours. After about two hours, it tends to die off.
So the flu virus is most typically passed by human-human contact or coming into contact that is walking into a cloud of somebody's sneeze that contains flu virus or somebody's cough that contains flu virus. And yes, it is possible that shaking someone's hand could actually introduce flu virus to your hand. And then if you wipe your eyes or
I'll talk about a few other portals of entry for the flu virus and cold virus in a few minutes, can get into your body and infect you. And yes, you can pick up the flu virus from surfaces. However, that is far less common than the flu virus passing from human-human contact. Now, there aren't as many different types of flu virus as there are types of cold virus.
And that's why there have been attempts at making flu vaccines or so-called flu shots. I think most people are familiar with the signs and advertisements online and in the workplace and school saying, you know, get your flu shot this season.
The reason that flu shots can exist at all is because there are limited enough types of flu virus present in a given year that specific vaccines, that is flu shots, can be generated against that particular strain of the flu virus. So how effective is the flu shot? And I want to be very specific here.
When we say the flu shot, singular, it sort of implies that there's one flu shot that can combat all the different types of flu. And as you just learned, that is not the case. So we probably should be saying the flu shots, but just for sake of simplicity, when I say the flu shot, I mean the flu shot that's given in a given flu season
that is directed at specific strains of the flu because researchers have determined that that particular strain of flu or strains of flu are the ones that are most abundant for that particular flu season. Studies have shown that getting the flu shot reduces one's risk of contracting the particular flu that is most abundant that season by about 40 to 60%.
But of course, the flu shot is completely ineffective at combating any other forms of the flu virus and of course, colds or other types of upper respiratory infections. Studies have also shown that taking the flu shot can reduce the severity of one's symptoms if they in fact get the flu anyway. Now, personally, I don't typically get the flu shot.
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Chapter 8: What myths exist about cold and flu prevention?
Now that doesn't mean that I've never contracted the flu. As I mentioned earlier, I tend to get sick with a cold or flu about once every 18 to 24 months. And the severity of that colder flu has ranged from, you know, at one point a very high fever in one case, but typically a moderate fever and the usual symptoms of malaise that we've been discussing.
And I've managed to get over those without having taken the flu shot pretty easily. Now, of course, We also don't know that those were actually flus. Despite the distinct differences between the symptoms of cold and flu, most people don't really know whether or not they have a cold or flu. So this is another thing to think about when considering whether or not to get the flu shot.
Ultimately, because at least to my knowledge, most workplaces do not mandate that people get the flu shot. I could be wrong about certain workplaces, but my experience is that most workplaces do not mandate that people get the flu shot. When you take the flu shot, you're really hedging a bet.
You're hedging a bet against the fact that you will be or not be exposed to that particular strain of flu virus that's most abundant that season or strains of flu virus that are most abundant that season, and that the flu shot that you're taking is directed at those particular strains. So again, in my case, I don't tend to take the flu shot.
But of course, you need to make the decision that's right for you. For instance, if you have family members that are immune compromised or you work in a school or you think that you are exposed to a lot of flus or you're concerned about transmitting flu to any one individual or group of individuals. Those are all things that need to be taken into consideration.
And of course, speak to your physician. I will also say this, which is that I mentioned that I've tended to catch colds or flus at a rate of about once every 18 to 24 months. And when I say a cold or flu, I mean a serious one, one that keeps me in bed where I have a fever and I'm sweating. What I have done and I continue to do is because I pay
pretty close attention to how well i'm sleeping or different life events my different workouts etc and i put those into my calendar and i have a shorthand to do that so it only takes about 30 seconds each day okay did this workout it was kind of level 7 out of 10 intensity got good sleep last night or poor sleep and i know what good and poor sleep is for me i mean that's about the level that i'm charting these things i have been able to go back and look at the events preceding when i've come down with a cold or flu again i don't know whether or not it was a cold or a flu but
before I got sick. And I've seen, for instance, if I've ever done two hard workouts in a day, something I never do any longer, I've tended to get sick after that. If I've tended to do hard workouts and then expose myself to cold temperatures while traveling, especially traveling overseas, that tended to precede those colds or flus, which again, for me are very seldom. So it's a
anic data, meaning related to my own history of getting colds and flus, but it's something that I actually recommend people do, which is, you know, to pay attention to when you first started getting symptoms, pay attention to when you got over, given what you think is a cold or flu, and then to look at what was happening in the days before and that day.
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