Who Speaks for MAGA?

After Charlie Kirk’s assassination, conspiracy theories and divisions multiplied on the right. On this episode of “Interesting Times,” Ross talks to Andrew Kolvet, a Turning Point USA spokesperson and executive producer of “The Charlie Kirk Show,” about what happens to a movement when its charismatic leader is gone, what it’s like to be the target of conspiracy theories, and whether there are any issues unifying conservatism now.01:32 - Andrew’s friendship with Charlie Kirk05:18 - Turning Point U.S.A.’s activism and impact11:16 - Charlie Kirk’s assassination and its aftermath18:42 - The divisions on the right start with conspiracy theories 38:28 - “Can the right hold together on Israel?”41:19 - Stress-testing the cohesion on the right56:08 - The Erika Kirk/Trump contrast(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)Thoughts? Email us at [email protected]. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

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