Gavin Baker - Watts and Wafers - [Invest Like the Best, EP.473]
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What are the “watts and wafers” and why do they matter for the next phase of AI?
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My guest today is Gavin Baker, the founding partner and CIO of Atreides Management, and this is our sixth conversation. The central theme is Watts and Wafers, the two physical constraints that, in Gavin's view, will dictate the next phase of AI. On power, he thinks the near term shortage starts to ease in 2027 and 28 as new sources of energy come online, and that orbital compute helps solve this problem in the long term. On wafers, he explains what is different this time from the dot com bubble and why TSMC's capacity is. Decisions may be the single most important variable to watch. We also discuss Elon's Carafab, the disaggregation of GPUs, the role of new chip companies, and whether economic value of AI will keep accruing to the frontier models.
Please enjoy this awesome sixth conversation with Gavin Baker. All right, so this is our sixth time doing this, if you can believe it, which puts you back into first place, or at least tied first place with Gurley, back into Steam Territory. Always my favorite conversation about markets and everything going on. Even since last time when we did this, which was so exciting and spectacular. I think we're in an even more interesting time now. Maybe just start by riffing on how it felt for you living through March and April of this. This year, which felt to me just like a completely unique economic technology and market environment. And you're the biggest student of history and of these times. So what did it feel like?
I would say broadly speaking.
There are two kinds of drawdowns. There are drawdowns where you're wrong, a company missed estimates, your hypothesis was invalidated, and you have to take your medicine and you crystallize that loss.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What are the “watts and wafers” and why do they matter for the next phase of AI?
0:01–15:20
2
How will the near‑term power shortage ease by 2027‑28 and what role does orbital compute play?
15:20–30:26
3
Why is TSMC’s capacity discipline the single most important variable to watch in AI hardware?
30:26–39:04
4
Will frontier‑model tokens continue to command a premium, or will value shift to the application layer?
39:04–47:07
5
What impact will Elon Musk’s Terrafab and the disaggregation of GPUs have on the AI supply chain?
47:07–55:58
6
How are new chip startups and wafer‑scale companies changing the economics of AI compute?
55:58–1:04:13
7
Can continual learning and memory breakthroughs unlock a new AI paradigm?
1:04:13–1:13:07
8
What are the biggest knock‑on effects and long‑term outlook for AI investors after this conversation?
1:13:07–1:17:06
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