Chapter 1: What personal experiences shaped Jen Atkin's career in glam?
They always say, like, your hairstylist is like your therapist.
What are you looking at on this side of my face? Well, you have one piece of hair that's driving me nuts.
Can I just fix it? Jen, I've known you for decades at this point. You're so talented. How did you even know you can do the things you do? I studied people. So you don't have a license and I've let you cut my hair?
How have we never talked about this? You guys were the first to ever, ever, ever shout out your glam team.
Because no one would even acknowledge that this is, like, hours and hours of a facade.
I didn't really drink until I was much older. Then I discovered gay men. Is this too short? Can you see my vagina?
Jen was one of the people who lost her home in the Palisades fire.
You offered for us to come and stay at your house.
Okay, well that was ridiculous.
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Chapter 2: How did Jen cope with the loss of her home in the Palisades fire?
We really should. So just for context, I know this is going to air in January, but we are taking this. We're still drunk. Our mom's birthday was two days ago. She'll adopt you. So we're both older and we're still paying the price of...
I'm going to tell you. Okay, it was Saturday night. We're shooting this on Monday. I slept 10 hours yesterday. I had to get an IV drip. It was a night of all nights. But you know what? Her Gatsby party was her 60th. Yeah, you were there. No, but do you remember that party? Do you remember you at that party?
Okay, well, let me- You remember you on stage? I was fucked up at that party. You were a mess. I still love the video that's online where me and Courtney are fighting over the cane in the background of- Oh my God. Who was singing? Charlie Wilson and Kanye. And we're fighting in the background.
Yeah.
No, you just went on stage and you were like trying to take the mic from Charlie Wilson. It was a time.
Well, I was very, very drunk. And that's because I was in the hospital with Lamar for like months.
And it was my first time free.
Was that staph infection time? Yeah, that was. Thank you. Wow, a lot of gems you're dropping. Yeah, no, no, no.
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Chapter 3: What was the significance of friendship in Jen and Khloé's journey?
It's been a life. Well, point is, Jen Atkin, I've known you for decades at this point. I mean, years and years. And so... Thank you for gracing us with your presence on the pod.
So the first time I worked with you was November 1st. No, it wasn't. 2012. November 1st. How did you pull that date? I found the picture last night because I was just reminiscing and I was trying to remember like all the lives we've lived.
But do you remember the first time I met you? I do. You were just telling me how bad your memory is. It was on an airplane and you were going to Miami to do Kim's hair for a Cosmo shoot. And I was on the plane traveling too.
Yes. And you had your glam squad with you, right?
I don't remember.
I remember being in business class and being excited about it. But I remember seeing you and I just need everybody to understand you weren't that famous then. You were pseudo famous. Okay. Like I knew you when you were like broke. Yeah, you did. But I met you on that People Magazine shoot that I forgot I did. Remember when you guys were the single ladies? Yes.
Oh my God.
I don't remember that.
And I did court. Oh, you did court? I don't remember that. But I remember the single lady shoot.
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Chapter 4: How did Jen transition from hairstylist to entrepreneur with OUAI?
And so my agent was like, there's this Cosmo shoot. You have to like go in and out. And then we met and I just like loved you. And I really didn't even know you. But I was like, this bitch is funny.
No, you and I together.
And we connected. Yeah. And then you wrote me the sweetest note. Do you remember that?
No.
I have it.
No, you don't.
Okay.
But you wrote me the sweetest note and you were like, I'm doing this thing called X Factor. I'm going to be like my first hosting job. And I would be so honored. You said something that you were so sweet. You really putting it on.
I used to be so sweet.
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Chapter 5: What lessons did Jen learn from her early experiences in the industry?
Yeah.
Well, then I discovered gay men and drugs. No, I'm just kidding. So I grew up kind of conservative. And we were very like when I think about the Mormon church, I left it at 19 to come to L.A. with my best friend. But when I think about it, it gave me such strong morals. Like I really grew up doing volunteer service.
You're constantly working on like yourself and your goals and you're just trying to like put good into the world. So I do appreciate that part of it. And I left the church. I left like a boyfriend I was supposed to get married to, had $300 and a Honda Civic catchback and came to L.A. with my best friend.
We slept on couches and I worked at a salon just to kind of like I knew I wanted to do something creative. And I really like in high school would cut my own hair and cut my friend's hair. And I just didn't even know it could like actually be a career. But I was like, that's the only thing I really know how to do. And so I started out as a receptionist, a salon manager.
Weirdly, like Chris McMillan was like a really big deal. He had done like Jennifer Aniston's haircut. He was like the household name. Yeah. But there were no women for me to really like look up to. Like Sally Hershberger. Right. Had a really big career. And I'd like read about her in magazines. But I came here in 2000. So, oh my God, it's so long ago. That's crazy. Almost 26 years ago.
Like pre-social media. Yeah. You'd have to go in a lore magazine to like see what the cool salons were to go to. Right. So I would do that and I would walk to those salons and try to get a job. And they were like, you're such a loser. Get out of here. People don't do that anymore. No. No. But call me a loser. Yeah. Yeah. They do. But I... Really just wanted to learn about the business of hair.
And so I worked as a manager. I saw all these amazing creative stylists who, oh my God. And at the time I got to like feed Bette Midler's meter and like Winona Ryder would come in.
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Chapter 6: How do Jen and Khloé navigate motherhood and personal growth?
Winnie Murphy would come in. I met Jessica Alba back then. And I was like, just a kid knew no one here. And I was like, if this is all I do, I'm done. This is amazing. And I'll go back to Utah and just live with my parents. And then I realized like so many of these creatives were not super responsible with their money.
That was the time of like, I don't know, LA was just bustling and it was so fun to go out. And so I honestly, growing up, I never like knew a Jewish person. I never knew like a black person. I never knew a gay person. It's very, very like- Culture shock for you. Little bubble.
Yeah.
So when I came to LA, I was like, oh my God, I learned so much about just- people and cultures and art and music. And like, I really feel like I got to like wake up and was like in my own skin finally. Like I got to just like lose the judgment of other people and just really like dive into L.A. It's gone by so fast. I remember getting booked to like assist people in the salon.
And that was like so exciting to me. I got I couldn't afford hair school. I couldn't afford it.
How did you like you're so talented. How did you even know you can do the things you do?
Well, I wasn't talented. I studied people. I sat there and watched every salon hair cutter and all the colorists. I had to watch everybody to see how they worked.
So you don't have a license and I've let you cut my hair?
This whole time. Right. No. So you're going to love this story. I'm scared. How have we never talked about this? I just assumed you went to school. I thought that you'd ask me any questions about myself over 13 years and this is the first time. I'm terrified. So I couldn't afford hair school. So I did an apprenticeship program at, like, an adult occupational center downtown L.A.
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Chapter 7: What insights do they share about faith and spirituality?
You don't have any energy now. Oh, my God. It's so fun. Sorry. Sorry. We're never going to get through this podcast. So I would, let's see, what did I do? I went to this hair school, Adult Occupational Center, and I got my license that way by like apprenticing. So I did get my license. Oh, good. And then I started assisting really great stylists on set.
And then I got booked to do all the dancers on Madonna's tour. And so that was my first.
Well, that's like a major first. Yeah. That was the first time I was 26 and I got to go all over the world. But what did your parents think? Because your parents are Mormon, still in Utah. And what did they think when their daughter is now leaving to go to scary California?
I mean, so scared. Were they pissed? Now as a mom, I can't believe they let me go.
Were they mad that you stopped Mormonism?
Yes. I mean, it's a whole thing. Like, did you ever have Mormon friends? No.
No, I've learned about being Mormon really on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. I don't know much about it. No. I mean, I know when you would joke about Mormon stuff and like play, but that would really be it. I never had a lot of Mormon friends.
Interesting. Yeah. I mean, this is the thing. The Mormon church teaches you that if you're not like obedient and, and worthy of like your temple recommend, which means like it's a, there's a lot of rules that you will not live with your family for all time and eternity in the celestial kingdom. Yeah. So there's a little bit of pressure. Yeah. Um, so, you know, they were like scared for sure.
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Chapter 8: How do they reflect on the evolution of club culture and its impact on their lives?
I think they thought I was going to either be like a drug addict or like a prostitute and, They didn't understand that like the world isn't as scary as we think it is. I mean, it is now, but back then it was fun.
No, seriously.
Yeah. They were like, I think they were also really proud of me. I've always had, I'm similar to you. Like our dads were very similar and like we had to sign contracts very young. I always joke. I was like paying a mortgage by the time I was 12. Like I always had a job. I always had a purpose. I was always taught that, you know,
the world didn't owe me anything that I needed to work for the things that I really wanted. And I hated my parents for that at times because like, I didn't get the cute cars that my friends got. And, you know, it was hard in high school, but as an adult, like I'm so grateful for it.
I feel the same. All the things that my dad was so strict about were like the bougie things. Like, no, we didn't like all of our friends had like credit cards or like allowances. And my dad was like, An allowance for what? Go get a job and that's your allowance. Like, and I didn't understand it then. I love that he did that for us. Like we had to work all the time and I loved it.
I also think like, don't you think you've been working forever?
Yeah.
Like I have been working since I was 16, 15. But it teaches you so much. So much. And I felt like adulthood didn't shock me. I didn't feel like, yeah, I felt like, oh, this is just my next step. This is my next purpose. This is my next thing to do. And I mean, but Chloe, honestly, we work so hard and we've worked so hard for so long that like. It's been a long time. It's been a long time.
But also it's the only way to like get all of these amazing things.
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