Anthropic, Glean & OpenRouter: How AI Moats Are Built with Deedy Das of Menlo Ventures
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What is Deedy Das’s background and why is he returning to Latent Space?
Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Latent Space Podcast. This is Alessio, founder of Kernel
Labs, and I'm joined by Swix, editor of Latent Space. Hello, hello. And today we're finally joined by the epic return of Didi Das. Welcome back.
Thank you for having me, guys. Again, I'm
so glad to see you.
All of us have different jobs now.
All different jobs. Classic Bay Area, you know, it's been two years, right? So last time it was April 2023, you joined us remote and you were still at Glean back then. I was actually even also looking at the cloud timeline. So cloud one was March 2023 and cloud two was July 2023. It just feels like so long ago.
Yeah.
Man, I remember the time when, I don't know when your first experience using Claude was, but mine was, I remember early Glean, there was somebody from the company was like, hey, there's this interesting new LLM that's not open AI. And the only way you can talk to it is by tagging Claude in a Slack channel. And I'm like, that's a bizarre interaction model for a whole new product. It's the best
model.
And now fast forward to now, and I'm like, okay. Yeah. It's come quite a way. Yeah.
I think actually they only recently introduced Claude in Slack, right? Or... Like publicly. The comeback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's
like how it started and now Cloud and
Slack. So since then, I wanted to start with Glean, obviously, because we're going to cover a lot of startups in this episode. So Glean was like a billion dollars, I think, based on my research. And now it's at $7 billion. So your options are good. What's your take on how Glean's going and the market in general?
I would say that... Now being on venture side, I have a bit of a different take than I would have had at Glean. But broadly, one of the things that I love about Glean is it's such a boring, unsexy company that became sexy later. So from 2019, I remember going to parties in the Bay Area, and I would say enterprise search, and it's shutting down the conversation
right
there. Nobody would ever ask a counter question if you said enterprise search. They're like, that sounds boring as hell. Leave me alone. And fast forward to 2022, Enterprise Search got more conversations. It was like, interesting, tell me how you're doing this search. I think what was nice about that observation is in those three years, we did a lot of work and didn't take shortcuts on a lot of things that ended up generating a lot of value for us now. And I can go into what all of those things are, but if you look at Glean from a high level business, it is top-down enterprise sales. It's very hard to rip and replace. We expand contracts very easily because the TAM is so large. It's every knowledge worker could use a version of enterprise search and then it's
The AI on top, I still call it search, but information retrieval in the enterprise. And we've solved a lot of critical problems. I can go into that too, in order to get there. Then comes, you know, December 2022, the chat GPT moment, everything that's happened since. And now when I look at Glean, you know, it's a different world. We were very... quick and correctly prioritized LLMs earlier on. It did a lot of good for our business and the company, but now there's fire from a lot of angles. Everyone wants to be a part of the enterprise search story, and it makes sense. I mean, it's a large, unconstrained TAM. LLMs are particularly useful for gathering information. Obviously, consumers are interesting and enterprises, therefore, are interesting.
How do you do this in an enterprise? Well, gather all the knowledge and then put an LLM on top. So, That being said, I'm still very happy with Glean stock. You know, Glean's also valued at $7 billion, not $100 billion. So I think the company has a lot of growth. I think it's done a lot of the hard work that nobody's willing to do. And I also think, you know, VCs have a tendency, including myself now, to... to trivialize a problem into a one-sentence sort of narrative. And with Glean, that narrative was often, oh, well, you guys built this enterprise search thing which never worked, and then AI came along and it started becoming a thing, which I think is not the story at all.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is Deedy Das’s background and why is he returning to Latent Space?
0:00–9:55
2
How did Glean transform from a “boring” enterprise search tool into a $7 B AI‑native company?
9:55–20:11
3
What drove Anthropic’s meteoric rise and how is its enterprise market share shifting?
20:11–31:14
4
Why did Menlo create the Anthology Fund and how does it support the Anthropic ecosystem?
31:14–44:06
5
What are the investment theses behind Goodfire, Prime Intellect, and other research‑focused startups?
44:06–55:06
6
How does OpenRouter build a model‑agnostic gateway and what makes it defensible?
55:06–1:04:00
7
What are the biggest challenges and opportunities for AI‑augmented software engineering and coding?
1:04:00–1:14:30
8
What key takeaways does Deedy share about AI moats, venture strategy, and the future of AI infrastructure?
1:14:30–1:25:27
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