We have been changed for Good! This week, Hunter and Peyton get into all the gay goodness of Netflix’s Arcane, dig into the power of Cynthia Erivo’s voice in a Wicked review, and chat about Kendrick Lamar’s new album (and Drake’s new lawsuit). And for Wondery Plus subscribers, they’re rooting for Lindsay Lohan and her Christmas movie comeback.Be the first to know about Wondery’s newest podcasts, curated recommendations, and more! Sign up now at https://wondery.fm/wonderynewsletterListen to Lemme Say This on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new episodes on YouTube and listen to weekly exclusive bonus content by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/lemme-say-this/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What do Hunter and Peyton think about Netflix's Arcane?
God forbid we speak about it again. But you actually recommended something good this time. Yeah, I do that.
I switch it up.
A little something called Netflix's Arcane. We'll be talking about that today. Kendrick Lamar's new album, GNX. And of course, listen with Ms. Wicked herself in her black and green.
No, I'm staring down the barrel of the camera. Don't you worry. Toxic Lesbian Rights. Just a warning, this is going to be a very gay episode, so lock in and keep your carabiners close. Don't forget that we also have a bonus segment that drops every Thursday, only on Wondery+. This week, we're talking about Lindsay Lohan's renaissance, sort of, and her new movie, Our Little Secret.
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So let me say this. Let me say this. Are you looking for a home for your worst opinions?
Are you a hater first and a lover of pop culture second? Consider this a glorified group chat, but we're not calling you out. No, no, no. We're calling you in. It's a safe space to talk shit. But of course, from Wondery, I'm Peyton Dix. And I'm Hunter Harris. And this is Let Me Say This. Let me say this. Let me say this. Let me say this.
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Chapter 2: How does the animation style enhance Arcane?
So, Hunter is such a thief of the night. I was watching this show and my immediate reaction to it was like, one, this animation is great. It's so well done. It's so intricate. And also the costuming, the hair, especially the black hair is so beautiful. Like I think that that was something that felt like really... The black characters hair you mean?
Yeah, the characters that are black, their hair, whether it's like dreads, whether it's like it's so, so, so detailed and so, so, so intricate. And it's so beautifully done. And I also felt myself like just so captivated by this story in a way that I didn't expect because I wasn't... I'm not really into...
Besides Avatar The Last Airbender, like, animation or any kind of even, like, anime-style shows?
The animation was – it was, like, it was beautiful, but it wasn't what kind of stopped me. It was really the magic and lore stuff that I was having trouble – In the story. Yes, in the story, understanding what is normal magic and what is, like, concerning paranoia magic that, like, we should be afraid of. And then later in season two, there becomes this whole other, like, Rose –
thorn vine kind of thing I actually can't even talk about that because it confused me so much I texted you I was like what does the black mom want exactly other and like how did the sun die all that stuff yeah but no I liked that it all kind of boiled down to in the most like beautiful lovely like little women way possible to like the sister relationship yes
between Powder, who felt betrayed by her older sister, Vi, and then she, like, works for, like, the bad guys, kind of, and then renames herself Jinx, and then it's, like, kind of a supervillain tea. Yeah.
But, like, coming back to Powder being so fucking annoying as a little girl, and Vi, like, continuing to be like, she's my sister, I love her, and then growing up and realizing she's not my sister anymore, really, like, she's gone down a dark path, was very sad to watch. Did you finish season two? Not yet.
I think I have, like, I'm on episode five. Okay. Then I'll not spoil it for you. Okay. But Powder Jinx makes a comeback in a way that I, she ends up being, I will say, my favorite character.
Wow. That's interesting. She can't get more annoying.
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Chapter 3: What are the main character dynamics in Arcane?
Yeah.
And I really wanted more of Echo's story because he's only really gotten like maybe two episodes of like real material. Yeah. I also, I like Vi a lot. Yeah. And I like Caitlyn, but I can totally see how Caitlyn in her desire to like protect and save Piltover and also after her mom was killed, how she is like becoming more power hungry and like blinded by her own ambition. Yeah.
Which that's like such a nice layer in of like how Vi is dealing with that. How she sees her sister has like kind of been eaten by her own ambition alive and then sees Caitlyn kind of doing the same thing.
Yeah. Have they fucked yet for you?
Not for me, no. Okay.
They've just been kissing. They've been kissing all the way. They're just smooching. Oh, they are fucking for real. I was, like, not expecting to get, like, nervous. Like, I was looking at my screen like, oh, gosh. Like, if I could blush, but I'm black, I would blush.
I guess I've only seen the one sex scene between the inventor and then the black queen on the council.
Yes.
And when their sex scene was intercut with the inventor's assistant using the magic. Okay. And it reminded me, okay, you're going to get mad, but I just, listen, balls and strikes. It reminded me of that scene in Queen and Slim. I never chose that path. When they were fucking and it was intercut with police brutality. That sounds exactly why I didn't watch Queen and Slim.
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Chapter 4: How do Hunter and Peyton critique the show’s representation?
I actually Googled the creators of the game, and they are all white twinks, like little white men, but they are allies. They're doing the real work.
Interesting, interesting.
Hunters doing the fake work.
I have to say, Jinx is only the elephant breed's Not doing it for me. They're not doing it for me. I was like, my girl. You know that the coma's not being seen in that show. We gotta trim those ends.
We gotta trim those ends.
How do you think this compares to like other video game shows? Because I feel like the rap was like they were all bad until The Last of Us was actually good.
I loved The Last of Us, but everyone tells me that's the wrong take. I thought it was so good. I thought specifically, not the gay episode that everyone fawned over, but the young black kid, the brother episode was phenomenal. I really liked it. And I heard that that game is like really complex and fun to play. I've heard less good things about this game, actually.
I heard more people feel taken with the show than the game itself. So that's kind of interesting to me. But I...
Maybe I sound really daft saying this, but I do think pulling from, instead of just remaking a show that's already existed or a movie that's already existed, I think it's really cool to pull from a video game world because there's so much craft and writing and care and time that goes into making a game. And you know how I know that?
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of the Thanksgiving discussion?
You've been dressed for the occasion.
I did. I'm in a green and black striped shirt, and I don't give a fuck.
I just want you to know, if we were roommates at Shiz University, I would have held a grudge the entire time. Yeah, you would have never given me grace.
No, no, it would never have happened. You would have kept me in that nasty hat and been like, no, dance, bitch. Yeah. This is a solo. This ain't no duet. I knew you would too. Nasty. Okay, so you loved it. Tell me what you loved about it. I loved it. And for the record, I should say I have never seen Wicked on Broadway.
I am gay, so I do know all the songs, of course, but I had never seen it before. I didn't really have any kind of relationship to Wicked as a young person. I think it just got so popular when I... was maybe curving out of my musical theater era and just focusing on dance. Interesting. Dance background.
And so when I came into this theater, I didn't expect to feel so emotional, but I cried three times.
I'm not surprised because the selfie you sent me after, I was like, oh, you cried and you sweated.
I was like, I did a face mask, bitch. You always pay attention. Where did the flop sweat come from? I said, can you focus on the point? Can you focus on my emotions? And she went to focus on my forehead. Typical.
Of course. Okay, so you loved it and you thought, like, what was so moving?
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