This week, Hunter and Peyton tackle Forever, the new Judy Blume adaptation from Netflix, THAT comment from Justin Bieber, and check in on the latest romantic shenanigans from friend of the show, Jojo Siwa. Then, they’ll tell you to follow @lemmesaythispod on Instagram and Tik Tok!Be the first to know about Wondery’s newest podcasts, curated recommendations, and more! Sign up now at https://wondery.fm/wonderynewsletterListen to Lemme Say This on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new episodes on YouTube and listen to weekly exclusive bonus content by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/lemme-say-this/ now.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chapter 1: What is the new Netflix adaptation of Judy Blume's Forever about?
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There is a part of me that is activated. when I'm watching two young, hot people fall in love. To all the boys I've loved before. Say it. The Samurai Turn Pretty. Samurai Turn Pretty, yes. Jenny Han, this is her house. This is her home. And now, Netflix Forever. Yes. I don't want to say, the show wasn't even on my radar before I saw just people talking about it.
Not even on Twitter, girl, on threads. Threads. And I said, no. And then you texted me and I was like, let me press play. Okay. Logline of this show. A Netflix YA show created by Girlfriends creator Mara Brock Akil. This is the logline. So reunited as teens, two childhood friends fall deeply in love, experiencing the joy and heartache of a first romance that will change their lives forever.
It's based on the Judy Blume novel, which is about essentially like white teens. But this adaptation makes both families black. Yes. Did you read that book? No. I did read – I've only – I haven't read that much Judy Blume. But I remember very vividly reading Just As Long As We're Together, a Judy Blume novel about like two like female best friends and them like spying on these teen boys.
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Chapter 2: How do Hunter and Peyton feel about the romance in Forever?
And then they were like, oh, they have hair on their legs. That means they're like going through puberty, these like boys. Like they're ready to have sex. Yeah.
But I'm a Judy Blume head. My good Judy. My good Judy. That was gay ally of you, actually. Nice. Put the fist down. Okay. I didn't read this book, though. So I'd be interested to, you know, compare and contrast. But I... What's that tweet? Y'all afraid of being corny. I was born on the cob. I own property on the cob. We know. We know. You don't have to tell the group.
Firmly planted on the cob. Yeah. I'm quite sure.
But I knew it would be corny. And so I was like accepting of that fact. But I actually was so not only into the show, but I love the lead actress. What is her name? Oh, my gosh.
Lovey Simone.
Lovey Simone. Beautiful girl.
Why did you think it would be corny, though? Because it's a Netflix rom-com with a bunch of teens. Maybe. But I did not find it corny. Like, I thought the first couple episodes were dragging a little bit. It's like the blocking, the unblocking. I'm like, dang.
Him having a meltdown about an essay. I mean, many such cases.
Yeah. I don't really want to be, like, 16 again. I don't really want to be thinking about homework too much. But I thought that it's, like, oh, I love that they're treating this, like, teen high school relationship with, like, a great deal of seriousness. Absolutely. Like, it really does have stakes.
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Chapter 3: What commentary does Forever provide on wealth and class?
Lenny. Lenny. I don't want to air him. I don't want to bleep out his name. We don't want to air out. He's fine.
He did it before. He'll do it again. Lenny, you're fine, babe. No, I was going to say, it's so funny. When watching the show, obviously being black and from LA. Yeah, we never forget it. Just in case the audience is curious, I'll mention it one more time. But why did my mom deadass hit me with the... is this fucking play about us? She was like, they went to El Cholo in the first episode.
We go to El Cholo. I was like, every black family in LA goes to El Cholo. It's like a very popular Mexican restaurant, but specifically with black families. And my mom was convinced that someone had stalked us and wrote this movie about us. Mind you, the only parallels, because my parents are, first of all, divorced, so let's remember that.
My dad was like, maybe it is about us if we get back together. And then my dad spilled tea that... He was like, it's so funny, the creator of the show, Mara, also had a kid who only could shoot threes and wasn't that great in school. And I was like, hold on. The intel from my father, who, like, coaches basketball sometimes at Harvard Boats, like, it's just... Wow.
Anyway, so... And that's the reporting we need on the front line. Yeah, let's, like, keep my ear to the ground in my family group chat.
I... Let me tell you... This is so embarrassing, but, like, I think I truly pressed play on this show because I didn't know anything about the plot, didn't read the Judy Blume book, but I said, okay, sorry, we have Wood Harris and we have Karen Pittman. Girl. I said, I love these two people. I love their marriage. I love, like... They just have such an ease together. And a playfulness.
Yes, exactly. Oh my God, it's fun to see. That's what I mean. I like that we're seeing a black family on TV where it's like, oh, there's no big backstory about how they have money or where they came from or struggle. It's just that they... Just case in point, there's one shot in the Martha's Vineyard episode where Karen Pittman just walks into the house and she's like, oh, where's our son?
What is he up to? And the way that she walks in and out of these rooms with all of these black people just having a good time was so beautiful to me. And then along comes a 3C curl. I don't know who you're looking at. A girl named Shannon who tries to come between our two lovers. Unsuccessful so far.
There's always a 3C curl pattern that tries to come between two lovers. I'll tell you that. I actually want to talk about the casting because I really love... I don't know their ages, the kids playing the leads, but I love whatever age they look. It's like this when you're a young person and you're a young teen, you're like looking for maybe like a older teen, late, early 20s kind of casting.
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Chapter 4: How does texting anxiety play a role in Forever?
In the early hours of December 4th, 2024, CEO Brian Thompson stepped out onto the streets of Midtown Manhattan.
This assailant starts firing at him. And the suspect... He has been identified as Luigi Nicholas Mangione.
...became one of the most divisive figures in modern criminal history.
I was meant to sow terror.
He's awoken the people to a true issue.
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This assailant starts firing at him. And the suspect. He has been identified as Luigi Nicholas Mangione.
Became one of the most divisive figures in modern criminal history.
I was meant to sow terror.
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Chapter 5: What are the themes of love and youth in Forever?
You know how earlier and always we'd be saying a black woman always needs a white bitch she don't play about? That's me and Jojo Siwa. Get behind me, girl. They coming for you. Okay. They coming for you. Okay. And I got you with me. Jojo, shout out to our sister in Christ. One time podcast guest. Our famous podcast guest taught us the Karma's a Bitch dance.
Hunter's neck stayed in place somehow during it, but nevertheless, we persisted. Jojo is in some hot water right now. Let me tell you about it.
I saw the hot water. It's a hot tub with a man.
That's just one of the hot waters. She's in a lot of hot waters. She's been dipping her toes. So Jojo Siwa has, in many ways, hard-launched her bisexuality, if you will. Or, you know, I would say she's shifted her ID as being queer. Coming after her perceived romance, but it's like, what do you call a hand on a knee so many times? Many such excuses.
with co-star on Big Brother, celebrity Big Brother, Chris Hughes. I don't know who this man is. I don't know where he comes from. I didn't even bother to Google him.
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Chapter 6: How does Forever portray the dynamics of friendship?
I don't know who those people are. I don't know.
I don't know who, well, I know JoJo for sure. That's my girl. Dance Moms alum, shout out to you. She's someone that goes full out. But there was speculation around their relationship on the show. Everyone being like, why are they cuddling so close? What's up with that? Like, she's a lesbian. She actually came onto the show having had a partner.
I will say her partner, her former partner before Chris, Idita's non-binary. And so I think the word lesbian for her, there's a rich history there, but at that specific time going into the show was already kind of hazy. Well before the show, again, my sis loves to be in some hot water, had explicitly said that she doesn't like the word lesbian, even though that's how she at the time was IDing.
She just said it was not necessarily a dirty word, but it reminded her of the word moist. Totally.
Totally.
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Chapter 7: What insights do Hunter and Peyton share about the show’s dialogue?
I'm just like, I can't legally say anything on the matter.
No, listen. I'm the, what it's, Daniel Radcliffe, like, straight but not narrow. Remember that whole campaign? Yes.
Wow, you are. You very are straight but not narrow. But it really upset a lot of people. It really upset a lot of lesbians specifically, but also a lot of young lesbians. A lot of people who feel very beholden to the word. And, you know, I'm going to go on my, I'm going to step up on my soapbox for a minute. Because there's two things that are happening. One...
JoJo Siwa coming out was simply major. I think she came out in like 2021.
For having the platform that she did, the reach she did to specifically young people is something that I think to a lot of like cool queers was like whatever, but to her audience is a huge deal because like you're affecting so many lives of so many children in such, I think, a beautiful way, of course, but the backlash that she received for coming out as a lesbian or even just queer in general, I don't think she ID'd as lesbian specifically until later.
Can I also say, I remember vividly before she came out, people speculating, thinking that she was, yeah, and her not really wanting to say anything yet. But that, yeah, I think that's really inspiring. Yeah.
And I also think she didn't just come out. She kicked that closet door open.
Yes, what is she, CMO of gay pop?
She stomped out CMO. She's acting president and chief financial officer. And she came out with a bang, but I really appreciated it for what it was worth. I think it's fun when gay people are, just as straight people have been, messy people. and maybe a little sloppy at some points and kind of chaotic, but that's the point of it all, right?
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