SUMMARYMatt Steffanina, a world-renowned dancer, choreographer, and YouTube sensation, joins the conversation to share his journey from an awkward beginner to a global dance icon. He dives into how he built his massive online presence, the power of giving away value for free, and why connecting authentically with an audience is crucial for long-term success. From early struggles to viral success, Matt reveals the mindset shifts that helped him turn his passion into a thriving business.Throughout the discussion, Matt also opens up about the challenges of entrepreneurship, including losing his first YouTube channel and having to start from scratch. He offers valuable insights on how creators can monetize their brand beyond sponsorships, emphasizing the importance of unique selling propositions (USP) and community engagement. He also shares his personal growth journey, highlighting the importance of mental well-being, balance, and taking the time to step back from the hustle to generate new ideas. Whether you're an aspiring content creator or an entrepreneur, Matt’s story is packed with lessons on resilience, creativity, and strategic growth.CHAPTERS02:30 - From Hobby to Viral Sensation04:45 - The Power of Talking on Camera07:10 - Giving Away Value for Free – The Ultimate Growth Hack09:35 - How to Build a Loyal Community That Buys from You12:00 - Going Beyond Swag: Turning Influence into a Brand14:25 - The Struggles of Entrepreneurship Nobody Talks About16:50 - Bouncing Back After Losing Everything19:15 - The One Business Lesson I Wish I Knew Earlier21:40 - The Secret to Work-Life Balance as a Creator24:05 - From Awkward Beginner to Dance SuperstarGUEST DETAILSGuest Name: Matt SteffaninaInstagram: @MattSteffaninaYouTube: Matt SteffaninaWebsite: www.dncr.comDNCR App: app.dncr.comConnect with Rudy Mawer:LinkedInInstagramFacebookTwitter
Chapter 1: How did Matt Steffanina transition from a hobbyist to a viral sensation?
my name is rudy moore host of living the red life podcast and i'm here to change the way you see your life in your earpiece every single week if you're ready to start living the red life ditch the blue pill take the red pill join me in wonderland and change your life what's up guys welcome back to another episode of living the red life today we're going to talk all about influence building a tribe a brand
a mass movement which this guy's definitely done here with my friend matt he's built his following to over 30 million yes that was not an error 30 million we've been friends for many years met in la originally and now look we're both here in miami so welcome to the show buddy yeah man thanks for having me great to finally connect here
yeah so 30 million right and and you you guys have probably seen this man dancing around you may have not known it was him but uh probably the most famous dance influencer and educator i would say is that a pretty fair statement or one of right and you've been doing it how many years
I started on YouTube in 2007, so coming up on 18 years on YouTube.
18 years. So 30 million, but key point already, not an overnight success, right? It's not like, hey, I started this YouTube a year ago and got 30 million. So let's start there. What's the story over the last two decades?
Yeah, so I started in a smaller town in Virginia. I was bored in high school. Thought I'd pick up dancing. I saw, you know, Usher, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake. I want to learn that. And there weren't a lot of opportunities. So I found YouTube really early. And I thought, man, like, I could probably learn by posting my videos here. People give me feedback. Maybe I'll meet other dancers.
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Chapter 2: What is the importance of sharing vulnerabilities in content creation?
And so it really just started out as that. And I sort of fell into this viral YouTube thing really early on.
Yeah.
But the main thing that I noticed is that the more I shared my story and my vulnerabilities along the way, my failures as well as my successes, the more people engaged with the channel. And so I was really early on showing how bad I was. You know, I was starting out as a 17 year old kid in a small farm town trying to learn how to dance. And, you know, here we are today.
And like you mentioned, it was probably about five or six years of not taking it seriously, posting a video here and there. And then I moved to L.A. and I thought, oh, now I'm in L.A., it's going to get easier. I'm going to get all these jobs. And it wasn't that at all. It's very, very difficult. And so I leaned even heavier into content.
And that's when my audience really exploded about 2014, 15, 16 years.
Yeah, because we met probably, what, five, six years ago? Yeah. And you were big at that point, really doing well. But you've had some cool experiences along the way, right? You've danced with some cool people.
Yeah, I got to dance for Taylor Swift, a choreographer, Jason Derulo. I was on the Ellen Show, Step Up, So You Think You Can Dance. Pretty much everything I ever dreamed of doing as a dancer. And that's why even today I'm huge on encouraging people to create content. there's no better way to reach an audience in a really, really genuine way than by creating content.
Well, and I think for YouTube, it's kind of funny because like podcasts too, like when you did it 10 years ago, it's like, oh, you're a YouTuber or you're a podcaster. And then like Joe Rogan podcast is like, oh, you're a podcaster. And then Mr. Beast and stuff. It's like, Oh, you're a YouTuber. Yeah. It's like changed how the world. Obviously, we already knew it was like in the industry.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did Matt face in his entrepreneurial journey?
But like now the world, I think, has like a very different level of respect.
Yeah, because these people that we admire have come over to this side. It's like now it's admirable to create your own things. I actually got dropped from my agency and fired from several dance jobs early on because I was a YouTube choreographer.
Yeah.
Chapter 4: How can creators build a loyal community?
And that was how looked down upon it was. So now it's crazy to think that there's no dancer in the world that doesn't have videos online and isn't using it as a tool.
It's like the opposite, right? Because it's now like CAA and the big agencies. Like one of your follower accounts right away. And brands too. Brands are paying as much for big influencers like you as they are for A-list celebrities because your audience is sometimes way more engaged. Yeah. So let's talk about that. You know, this is a business show, entrepreneur show.
Chapter 5: What are the key lessons learned from losing everything?
Maybe everyone listening can't like dance like you, but hopefully they can grow an audience one day like you. So what are some general tips like throughout all these years of growing such a big audience?
Yeah, well, it's definitely... a repeatable skill, you know, creating content. A lot of times people say like, oh, it's because you're a dancer and TikTok favors dance videos. Most of my viral content and definitely my connection to the audience has nothing to do with dance.
And you were way big before even TikTok came out. Yeah.
Yeah. Right. So like what I really lean into is storytelling. My biggest video this past year on YouTube was about me genuinely just telling my story about, like I said, starting in a small farm town, moving to LA, all the failures, the things I got fired from, the struggles. you know, thinking about moving home and giving up and how I overcame it and what I did to reset and find new inspiration.
And that video outperformed all of my dancing videos.
Yeah, you had crazy engagement.
You know, and so the best skill you can learn if you're starting content or even if you're creating content, you want to improve it is really storytelling. And whether you're a fitness influencer, you're an entrepreneur, you're selling courses, whatever it is that you're doing, if you can create it about your story and why you're creating courses or why you're making fitness content.
Maybe you were bullied as a kid and so you went really hard into fitness. Maybe you couldn't find your passion and then someone helped you and you're paying it forward and helping others, right?
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Chapter 6: How can storytelling enhance audience engagement?
I think that's interesting because a lot of people listening, I think people think that their audience doesn't care about that. But you're basically saying the opposite. They care the most about that.
Yeah, because if you don't, admit some of your flaws or shortcomings, how does the audience know to trust you?
Yeah. And yeah, you create the genuine connection because I think if you don't do that, you're like this godlike celebrity figure and they're this random person. But like what I try and teach is, no, you want to remind them that you were the random person at one point and you still are down to a person. Yeah.
And it's really difficult for especially people that are entrepreneurs and perfectionists to get this. It's hard for me still. I still post videos and I'm like, I don't want to post this. A little post. Right. Cause I know that it's important, but you know, I work with a lot of people like we'll do, I'm sure they're like, no, everything has to look professional and perfect, you know?
And so it's very counterintuitive, but the way that people consume media now is so different than 10 years ago, 15 years ago. Right. You'd like read a magazine and it's like Jay Z and he's perfect. And he made dollars and like, you never got to see his flaws.
Well, even the celebrities now, like, I can't remember what celebrity it was the other day, but they're like, they'll film themselves crying and talking about some politics thing or whatever, right? Or a breakup. Like, 10 years ago, every agent would have been like, no, you could never, never, like, there's no way you could do all those things, right? Yeah.
I think as social media as a whole now, it's changed a lot. It used to be this polished resume, right? Now it's the real day-to-day you, and that's why reels took off. That's why stories have took off because it's like the vlog of your life. And I guess YouTube used to be the vlog spot, right?
People would vlog super heavily, and now I feel there's less of that, and it's like daily vlogging on socials.
Yeah, and as far as actionable advice that I give to a lot of my friends and clients that I'm helping with content is use TikTok as the training ground. TikTok is a really great place to mess up because your friends aren't really on TikTok, your peers aren't on TikTok as much. And if you do a video and it doesn't do well, TikTok doesn't show it to anybody.
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Chapter 7: What platforms should aspiring creators focus on?
Really crazy like, but I'm going to leave off the end and I'm going to say, go watch it. Okay. And so with those, try and convert those short viewers to long form. Yep.
Those are never going to go as viral as the standalone ones, but that way you can take the traffic and kind of move it over as well. Good. The algorithm is getting better, though, for blending the channel.
Yeah. Which I think it has to eventually, right? Because if it like screws it up, it's like it's screwing itself and all of its people. Yeah. Good. Next question. I want to go a bit broader now. Like we talked about YouTube and Instagram, TikTok growing 30 million followers. Crazy number. So congrats, by the way. Like not many people in the world outside of A-list celebs have done that. Right.
Like you've got to be one of the top influencers. Like and I mean, it's it's so great that you've done that for so many years and now built a brand and a tribe behind it. So that's what I want to get into.
Talk about the Brandon tribe if people don't know and how you transition because if people don't know like you have sellout events around the world basically right these massive dance parties, you know, so can we talk about that part.
Yeah, one of the things that I realized as I was building my following is that dance content, especially because you're not talking to camera. it's hard to build that relationship. People will be like, oh, I love your dance videos, but they don't really know you. They don't know your personality. And when I started to do tutorials, I love teaching. I love the energy exchange.
I love helping people. And people could feel that in the tutorials, that it was authentic. And even views were never as good on the tutorial. But what I started to notice is my classes in real life when I would do these tours just started exploding because now I had this relationship with my viewer that was different than you're the good dancer. It was now like you're my mentor.
Yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 8: How can testing content ideas lead to greater success?
You're my teacher, you know, and that's why Even though people sometimes are scared to talk on camera, it's so important to talk on camera because you build this bond with your viewer that's just different than any other skill. And so that was really the basis. I started to be the pretty much only teacher, especially in L.A. as a professional dancer.
I was willing to give away my choreography for free, teach tutorials for free online because I just wanted to build my... with people that had a similar passion. And, you know, I think the biggest lesson from that is in the beginning, you just want to add as much value as possible. Sometimes people gatekeep stuff too early on and it's like, you really want to build that relationship.
You want to build that rapport with your audience where they're like, This is my guy. He always gives me good tips and things and build, build, build, build, build. And then you're like, and now I'm doing this insane mastermind and I'm going to keep it really close, right? But if too early on, you're like, here's two tips, but if you want more, you got to pay for this and that.
Yeah, yeah.
You flip the rapport building step, you know? So it can be difficult to build that and it can take a lot longer sometimes than people expect it to. But if you can hold true to that
and hold off on selling in the beginning it'll pay dividends in the end when your community is strong yeah i like that and what are some you know tips for because because we've kind of come from opposite ends i almost feel like i was a business guy and then started to work on content and create influence you big influence right and now you build in the business side so it's really fascinating like they both have their struggles right yeah so what are some tips for
people similar to yourself where they've built a good following have some good content stuff's going viral and they're like maybe just selling affiliate products right now or other people's and they want to build like that brand and community
Yeah, it's obviously case by case, depending on what your following is built on. But for most people that have created a successful brand online and created great content, there are people that want to learn how to do the same thing. I have a lot of friends that are photographers and now they're selling their different filters packages. They're selling courses on how to do photography.
And so instead of just showing these beautiful images that they took, they're showing the behind the scenes. Yeah. you know, oh, that looks like a normal mountain range. Like, I don't know how to take a picture that looks like that. And then boom, and then you see the finish, you're like, wow, how did they do that? Right, now I'm interested. I want to buy that guy's course.
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