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Chapter 1: What were Brodie and Will's thoughts on Kyle Busch's passing?
Rightio, everyone. We're back bright and early this morning, Monday morning, 6am, getting into episode 29 of the Lucky Dogs podcast. So me, Ains and Brodie got to bed about 12 o'clock last night, late flight home from Tassie, but good to get back into it. Yeah, it is. It's very, very early. I'm very, very tired and disappointed. What are you disappointed about? We'll talk about that later. Okay.
Well, the first thing we wanted to get into, which isn't as lighthearted, is obviously the passing of Kyle Busch that we found out, I think it was probably Friday over here, I think woke up just before practice and something that was a big shock. Actually, Ayn sent it to me and then saw it on socials, but we were lucky enough. You've got a
When we drove for Erebus in 2023 and had an affiliation with RCR through them, we were lucky enough to go over to VIR but also the RCR workshop and worked fairly closely with Kyle actually for, what, two days over there? Yeah, we did. Yeah, it was – To be honest, I was completely shocked when the news got announced. It's crazy.
It's one of those things where you just – you read it and you had to read it like three or four times. And the problem is, too, there's so much fake media these days as well. Oh, all the AI stuff, yeah. Yeah, didn't know what was what basically. But, yeah, he was –
Yeah, I actually said it in the press conference on Friday, like I really dedicated to his craft and we could see that when we went to this VI day. He was so competitive. Do you remember how competitive he was? He would be one of like, I know how competitive you are and I've worked with a few people, but he would be up there. well, probably one of the most competitive people I've ever met.
I remember you went out and you were quite fast and he came in and looked at data and this was kind of them trying to do more for road course racing. They have the VF over there, the old Terry Wahoon. But he got on pace quick, hey. Like I remember that last run he did a really, really good job, but he was just like so dedicated to making sure he caught up and did, you know, did a good job.
Yeah, and the way he works, it's so – I mean, the way that people sometimes get portrayed in the media and the way that he actually worked with everyone there as well, like he knew that that day meant a lot to all the staff at RCR. So he put in 110% and, you know, was asking about the right foot breaking and, you know, where were the advantages. And I remember him talking to George about it.
And, you know, when you can tell if someone's listening or not. Yeah. You know, and he was literally picking apart every single thing that George said, not only just because, you know, he wanted to know more about it, but he actually wanted to know if it was like a proper advantage or not and if he had to go back and learn and, you know, learn how to right foot break.
But, yeah, he put George through the ringer that day asking about it. I remember it clearly.
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Chapter 2: What was the overall experience of the Supercars Tasmania Super 440 weekend?
Yeah. One thing about him as well that I was lucky enough on that day, I remember I was like hit the guy up trying to think of – Oh God, I'm having a mental blank. The guy that owned the chopper that worked for him as their head. Andy Petrie. Andy Petrie. He was a good fella. And Kyle was getting a lift back with Andy Petrie in the chopper. And I was like, you reckon I can come?
I do a bit of flying. So I flew back with Kyle and Andy and we actually dropped Kyle into Charlotte.
motor speedway I think it was to go watch Braxton actually that day and it was something that I thought was impressive with Kyle he probably didn't get perceived like like he had the rowdy thing going and it was awesome I quite liked how he was perceived because made it quite exciting but um I think what he was doing with Braxton and you know the people around him how he supported them just looking at it from a thing uh from from an outer he did uh he was uh he looked like a pretty good dad and pretty good uh family guy and everything like that that's for sure so
extremely sad um i think they've done some cool things like you know obviously uh not not using the number eight until hopefully brexton gets up into um into cup series but i reckon it would have been cool like if he let him out in his car they let like just for the like brexton he'd be able to drive it he's been racing super late models yeah um and stuff at the moment. But, um, it was nice.
NASCAR put a photo up because obviously Kyle Busch used to have Kyle Busch Motorsports, which ran a truck team. And they used to do the, um, um, you know, the second tier series a couple of times each, each year. They don't really delve into that too much. And they used to run super late models and stuff. And, um,
whatnot, and they had a photo of all the current Cup Series drivers that have won in a truck for Kyle Busch Motorsports. Oh, really? Yeah, so it was like 10 or 11 drivers. It's like William Byron, Noel Gregson, Wasam, Corey Heim, a bunch of others as well. Bubba Wallace drove for him as well, I saw. Yeah, Bubba Wallace. He won Martinsville for them, so...
Yeah, it was – yeah, he did a lot not only, you know, around for his family, but he actually did a lot for the sport as well. Oh, 100%. Yeah, it's really sad, obviously. And, yeah, like I said in the press conference, life's precious. And I'm not sure if you – did you see his interview on his last truck race? Yeah. And he said, you never know when you're going to get another one of these.
Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty – yeah, I did watch Adam. How in hindsight you look at it, you're like, that's crazy to say that the weekend before. But, yeah, it's definitely a sad thing and something – like you said, it's just – you know, we're over there. And even last year when I raced Cup over there, I saw him because I was with colleagues.
So, you know, you're going into the simulator at RCR and even into the –
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Chapter 3: How did the racing conditions affect performance at the Tasmania track?
into the one at the GM Tech Centre and I saw him there because we were trying to piggyback off the back of their sim sessions. So, yeah, very sad to hear the news, that's for sure. So, yeah, it'll be interesting. Did they run someone in his car today? Yeah, they put Austin Hill in. And just changed to 33. Yeah, and changed to 33. So, yeah, then practice and qualifying got rained out.
So, yeah, I'm sure the race is starting pretty soon actually. Yeah, yeah. No, so yeah, very, very sad news on Friday, that's for sure. You nearly still don't think it's real, but yeah, very sad. But we'll get into something a bit more lighthearted, I guess, and that's our race weekend down in Tasmania, recapping that. So there's plenty to go over.
Probably like from a whole, like it probably wasn't the most You know, we came off Christchurch with so much interesting stuff and obviously you and Chas running into each other, that made it great. But I wouldn't say Tassie had anything crazy happen, to be honest. It was a good weekend. There was plenty happening, but it wasn't any big controversial moments out of it, I wouldn't think.
Yeah, not really, to be honest. It's kind of hard around there, isn't it? Yeah. I guess have those type of – Well, it's pretty hard to pass, actually, with the way the racing is now.
Yeah, I used to think it was nearly easier to pass at Tassie, but it's just everyone's so close and, like, with the way the tyre is and all that sort of stuff, it was quite hard to actually, you know, even build a tyre delta. But even if you built a tyre delta, like, it used to be I felt like if you had, like, if you're two tenths a lap better or three tenths, you'd get them at the hairpin.
But, like, people were catching others with five, they were half a second quicker. They'd done four tyres, the guy in front had done two and they couldn't pass them. So it was kind of weird that the – yeah, it just didn't seem like the racing was as good from my point of view on the weekend. I have a theory on that. What's your theory?
So I was actually chatting to Lyco last night and we're talking about – you know, the product basically, like how could it be a little bit better here and there. And there was like two things that stand out to me. And one of them was the aero balance. So the split between front and rear downforce when Gen 3 first started has moved backwards like 15%. Yep.
So do you remember the first year in 2023 how loose the cars were? Yes, I do. But I thought that we've moved it forward again, haven't we?
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Chapter 4: What strategies were discussed regarding tire management during the races?
No, not – no. It's still back. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's still back. So I think it's become – I reckon it's more evident this year that it's harder to follow than it has been the last couple of years with following a car. So – Anytime that you spend behind a car, obviously the front tires get hot and it's faster to have the aero balance further back.
So every manufacturer wants to keep moving it back over the next one, right? So it's like... You know, after the wind tunnel, GM made changes to move the aero balance for the back. So now they've got the furthest aero balance back. And we've just kept like chopping and changing each manufacturer going back. And I reckon it makes it harder to follow.
So like I followed someone for like five or six laps and your front tires blow out. So you can't turn under anyone. You can't really do anything. No, that's right. That's probably something that a few motorsport categories have. But yeah, I guess everyone... everyone wants to put their balance back.
Like the biggest thing in our cars right now is that when you break, you just get edgy into the corner and everyone's, you know, everyone's trying to fix that. It's the mousetrap we have is how do you make the fastest car without it being edgy? And if you can move your aero balance back right now, if,
if one of the manufacturers can, GM, you've pretty much got an advantage straight away because then you can put more turn into the car.
When you get down to the hairpin instead of us trying to make the car stable and then not have as much turn mid-corner because we've got a bigger front spring or we've got something like that, you know, GM are able to run a softer front spring because they're just more stable into the corner.
So everyone's doing that, but just thought I'd explain that because I'm real technical, you know what I mean? No, but it's a good point because we were just talking about, you know, back when Wayne Caddick was CEO, he did a – He got a report done and he asked the fans what they enjoyed most about supercar racing.
So they asked him, you know, like, is it the sound, the looks, the racing, you know, everything. And door-to-door racing was number one. Yeah. So they were trying to work out how to make door-to-door racing better. And I think that's one thing that we could do better in the future is move that back forward. So the cars will be slower, but they'll race better in my opinion. Do my head in though.
Far out. I'll be edgy in every corner.
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Chapter 5: What were the challenges faced during qualifying at Tasmania?
That's because they're so aerodynamically backwards. Like it's just the cars will just be slower. Like it'll still be the same. They'll just be slower. Yeah, and everyone's got the same. Yeah, that's true. One thing I kind of hate when you're door-to-door racing, you always see just everything online and it's like, oh, but like the racing back in the day was so good. It's like-
terrible it's like where are they getting this from like I don't know if you go back to Peter Brock days people were winning Bathurst by two laps so I don't know how they're like you know it's it's cool don't get me wrong but it's like they weren't bloody running into each other banging panels every corner like we are and then even like the Courtney era and all that sort of stuff like the racing was good but you couldn't run into each other like we are like I've never seen this amount of
door-to-door, rubbing panels, hard racing ever. So I got described, so back before our time, like early 2000s, they used to have all these big meetings about... parody back then. Like they were happening all the time, like way more than what we have now.
And it was about like cylinder head design, everything that just sit a cylinder head on the table and all the, all the team owners would argue like either side, you know, Ford versus Holden, you know, like that port design is not allowed or this is allowed or whatever else. But the only difference from now to then is social media. Yeah. Well, it's just more noise around it, isn't it?
Because now you're just, you know, my bloody screen time is six hours, so I see bloody everything on there. You know what I mean? But everyone is the same. They're spending four hours on their phone a day, so they just look at Facebook and it's all there. What did you used to go do? Get the newspaper or something?
Well, yeah, you used to get like a racing magazine or your mum had to be off the phone and you'd have to send an email because you couldn't be on the phone while you're on the internet. Yeah. So now it's just a completely different – The perspective is like out because of social media. No, that's right.
And, yeah, I think the comments on always is, oh, back then the racing was so good or back then this was so good. It's just not. Back then some teams had 80 horsepower over other teams and all sorts of wild stuff. I think that's one. Like even though the racing wasn't amazing, I think the last year and a half of racing in supercars I personally think has been –
On track, like, you know, I don't know about the spectacle off track and all that, but on track it's been the best racing, I reckon. Like I've watched a lot of the old racing and that, and I just think that every race there's something happened. Like even, you know, mine and Anton's battle on the Sunday race, like that was hard door-to-door racing, and then you're battling someone, you know.
There's just always something going on out on track, even if it's not crazy. It's still people rubbing each other.
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Chapter 6: How did the pit strategies impact the race outcomes?
Well, a bit of hard rubbing and social media. Is it James Phelps, were you saying? James Phelps on Motorsport 3. He's a controversial dude, that guy. He loves a comment, but… But he didn't make these comments. He didn't make these comments. Bairdo apparently came out.
I haven't seen the article, but I saw James Phelps when I was watching Motorsport 360 is that he was calling Woody a grub with his move on Adelaide, which is weird that it's come out this late. Like it's, you know, it's interesting that they're prying that sort of stuff now. But, yeah, what do you think? Yeah, way to just put me on the spot with this. I'm going to read what was said.
So it was said via Code Sports, which is News Corp. Yep. But it was Craig said, I think everyone knew, including Woody, that he had been a bit of a grub. You know when you've been a grub? I know when you've been a grub. He knew he had been a grub. He will never admit it, but he was happy. He was happy with his penalty. Yeah, right.
I wonder why Baird, yeah, the comments probably didn't need to make it to Motorsport 3. You know what I mean? Didn't need to make it out in the media. But I wonder why Baird thought he was happy with his penalty. I wonder what the attitude was going into the stewards or something like that for him to make that comment that he was happy with his penalty. Yeah. That's weird. I don't know.
I'm a little bit. For me, I'm a little bit disappointed that this was said from someone that's basically an official. If this would happen in any other sport, it would be, I would say, pretty big trouble. But yeah, I don't know. I'm not a fan of this, to be honest. And they're all talking about it. Scafie was commenting on it.
So Mark got asked about it and he didn't want to comment on Craig's comments. And I have a strong feeling that he wouldn't comment because he knew it was a bit... Out of order.
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Chapter 7: What were the highlights of the race performances from different drivers?
Yeah, it is an interesting one. Like I think – yeah, I'm not sure. I got called by Bec Williams the other day. She's very – I don't have a problem with her, but she's very good at getting information. She's a journo. She's a journo and she does a good job of it, of getting this. And I'm quite surprised.
Like I say, I'm pretty surprised that Craig even bothered making a comment on it this far after. You know what I mean? And – We know this is Beardo uses this. Like when we go into a briefing, we all pretty much look at it as we're all just mates. Like we get along with Beardo, pretty much just a mate with Beardo. He's the best DSA we've ever had. Oh, 100%.
So he does his, you know, he comes in and I can see where he's used the word grub because when we go in, you remember he's going in and he's like, And we're like, well, how do we know when, when we're started being able to run into each other more, we're like, how do we know if it's going to be a penalty or not?
And his word was, you know, if you've been a grub and I know if you've been a grub and he said that to us and it kind of is true. You do know out there when you've done a bit of a, a bit of a grubby move, you're like, yeah, that was probably on edge. Like maybe I shouldn't have done that. But yeah, I don't know so much. Um, If it had to hit the media for Woody's sake, maybe.
But, yeah, it's a bit of an – I'm more interested in the happy with his penalty. Yeah, that's a thing. The irony of this whole thing was it was an article about 2017, the Scotty and Craig incident, I believe. So it was about him getting death threats. Oh, right, yep, yep. After that incident, I believe. Yep. And we know that Woody had a multitude of death threats after his incident.
So I just think if the shoe was on the other foot and the roles were swapped, it wouldn't end very well for Woody. Yeah. He'd be in a lot of trouble. Yeah, it wouldn't. No, you're right. Yeah, where did Phelpsie pull this up from though? Like when did this article get written? Do you know?
Yeah, on News Corp.
On News Corp. Yeah, right. It's interesting because I'm like – It was in the paper. Yeah, okay. Yep, he's got to find these ones. But no, yeah, it was an interesting one. Obviously, that's for sure. But yeah, I guess we'll probably get into the race weekend.
And I don't know, Tassie, my signing sessions and that, maybe I'm not winning, so getting less popular or something, but it seemed a little bit Brock's winning, so maybe they should be coming. But yeah. It seemed a little bit more quiet leading into the weekend, but then I don't think, I think the weekend had a little bit going on.
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Chapter 8: What future events and guests can listeners expect on the podcast?
I was struggling Friday morning. Did you have to de-ice your front window in your hire car? I'm not sure. I think James went and got the car for me beforehand so I didn't see it. We were leaving the hotel pretty, I think, early that morning because we were doing set up because we'll talk about that a bit later. But we had to leave early Friday morning and it was like zero minus one.
So our whole front window was frozen. So Roland and I are hanging our heads out the window like driving because we're waiting for it to defrost. But the car wouldn't warm up so the bloody – we couldn't put the heater on the windshield. So – Rylan and I hanging out the side of the windows like dogs.
And I remember my face went like, you know how you go in the cold and it just gets like bright red, like it's just like your skin's about to fall off? Yeah, that's what my face felt like. I can just imagine Rylan. He'd look like a Labrador hanging out the window. He is a Labrador. He is literally. You don't have a driver. No, we drive ourselves.
I just had the car warm waiting at the front of the hotel. I didn't even have any of those problems. That's good for you. I like driving. Yeah, no. So, yeah, getting into – what was that Thursday? What were we even talking about then? That was Friday. That was Friday, Friday morning. But we're talking about like the – I don't know.
I thought the weekend seemed a bit quiet, to be honest, but Tassie always is quiet in my opinion. Yeah, I would say that as well. Like the hill looks full, but it's not a massive hill. But it's always one of those events that probably is like quite costly to come to as well. And I think that's probably something we're seeing more and more now is cost of living and all that.
Like you imagine if you didn't live in Tassie, you want to bring a family down, pay for tickets to the supercars, pay for a hotel, pay for flights for everyone. Like it's just... And it's not that tickets are expensive, if I'm being completely honest. It's just... It's just the way the world is right now. Yeah, and that's right. Unless you want to do a holiday in Tassie, Tassie's not your choice.
You're probably doing an Adelaide, like if you're going to spend a bit of money on an event, you're probably doing a Gold Coast Adelaide. Darwin, Townsville, all the big ones. So you can kind of understand, but yeah, it seemed a little bit quiet. Like the super cheap, generally I gauge it a bit off. We do a super cheap signing session like every Thursday before the event and
I would say other years the Supercheap signing session has been quite big, but sometimes we link in with other teams there as well. Like there'll be two teams at a signing session, so maybe that's it as well. But, yeah, getting into Friday, well, before the weekend, it was a bit of a change.
They've tried now doing the practices and now two 25-minute practices with a 15-minute break between, is it? 15 minutes? Yeah, it was meant to be 15. Meant to be 15 minutes. And the reason they're doing this, it started at around 2 o'clock on Friday, is that they want to give the teams, I think it's something like eight hours they need of set-up time, but they give them that between the two days.
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