How Queerness Makes You Question Everything w/ Zoe Branch
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Hey, y'all. Welcome back to Made It Out. Today, I'm here with writer Zoe Branch. We have a lot to get into today.
Yeah, I know.
We just, like, launched straight in. Yes. We're talking about kind of your gay journey and how it led you to a very unconventional work lifestyle.
Yes. Yeah.
Okay. Yes.
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Yeah. Well, I'm from Denver, Colorado. I grew up in a very like... traditional, suburban, like, nuclear family. One older brother, two parents, still married to this day, wonderful people. And, like, very close to my grandparents as well. So very much so was, like, raised by them as well as by my parents. And, yeah, I think that growing up, I didn't really... have that many touch points or ideas about queerness. I think that, you know, I was born in the nineties, like growing up in the two thousands, I just wasn't really like as much part of like the conversation or something that necessarily felt like Anyone I knew was talking about it. But hilariously, the first five people I ever kissed when I was 13-ish were all my female friends.
And we were all like, we're just practicing. Of course. Of course. This is what we do. They're all gay. No. I actually don't... Some of them I'm not 100% sure, but the ones that I'm still in touch with. Wow. All gay.
God, isn't that amazing how we find each other?
Yes. I know. It's so interesting. There's something that you sense in people. Yeah. I think it's so interesting, like, looking back on this in retrospect and, like, it seems so obvious when reflecting on it. But at the time, I actually thought, like, oh, well, like, I've kissed all my friends and, like, I didn't fall in love with any of them. So I actually thought that it was proof that I was straight for like 10 years. I was like, okay, like I did my experimenting and like that was that. And it was fun, but like, it's not, I don't know, it's not the same or something different.
Which is like, I feel like a very normal phase when you start dating women. Yeah. You kind of get that streak of curiosity. Yeah. I feel like I've heard that so many times of like, yeah, but I went on a date and like, you know, it just, it wasn't it. But I'm like, yeah, but if you were curious enough to go on a date.
Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. It's like, if you're kissing your friends, like it's like, so like actually not everyone was doing that. Like I kind of just thought that like everyone was doing that. You know, I was like, this is like the normal part of being 13 is that like, this is what we do when we hang out. Right. But yeah. And then also the thing of like, I haven't had sparks fly on every date I've ever been on with a man. Exactly.
For some reason, the standard is different.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–8:26
2
How did Zoe's childhood and early friendships shape her queer identity?
8:26–11:34
3
When did Zoe first realize her attraction to women and how did she interpret it?
11:34–24:28
4
What childhood encounters helped Zoe recognize queerness in herself?
24:28–38:15
5
How did coming out change Zoe's relationships and sense of community?
38:15–49:43