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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hello and welcome back to the Maths Funny podcast and also to the Josh and Stefano side podcast series because this episode today covers both of these things. So last night I caught up with Hayley Vernon, who many of you may remember as the outspoken and unfiltered bride from season seven of Married at First Sight.
And some of you may also know her as one of the first maths brides not just to join OnlyFans like four or five years ago when it was this new thing that everyone was kind of judging and shocked about.
But she was so proud and open about the fact she was on there and she continued being so proud and open about the fact that she progressed from selling topless pictures to then soft content with other people to eventually hardcore porn and becoming a high class escort.
But what you will hear in this episode is that pride that she had and was so open about as she boasted about this career, it was all fake and she was pretending. And I wanted to catch up with Hayley in this episode for two reasons. Firstly, because over the last year and a half, not only has she quit the industry and found God and a new purpose in her life,
but she's now so against that world and she has so much regret and she wants to speak out to highlight the real impact that job had on her at a time when sex work is becoming more and more normalized in the media and I suppose society.
So many people do glamorize like how much they're making on there and they boast of becoming rich and famous and showing off their designer bags and mansions and all that. But
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Chapter 2: What led Hayley Vernon to join OnlyFans after reality TV?
Hayley really wants people to know the actual reality of doing that job. And secondly, as I'm now faced with this dilemma in my own personal life, as I figure out if I can accept my partner Stefano doing OnlyFans as a job and him having to sleep with other people for his content, I wanted to get Hayley's thoughts on this as a friend and also as someone who has been for...
and against that industry and knows it more than like, well, probably most people. Before I do play out our chat though, just for a bit more background context, I've been friends with Hayley for years now. I met her as she was filming her season. I then started helping her out with media stuff. I was doing paparazzi pictures of her. We're doing articles for the Daily Mail.
And I remember as her season wrapped on TV, she actually asked me, do you think I should join OnlyFans? And I said, go for it. Like, if you're comfortable. She'd done topless waitressing in her past years before that. And those pictures had kind of started to leak. And, you know, that content was out there. So it was like, well... If you can make money now, why not?
And I've always been so pro any kind of sex work. And I think if someone can make money off their body in a way they're comfortable doing, then great. And especially women who, you know, often grow up being shamed for their bodies and being treated as objects. Like if they can flip that script almost and profit from the thing that men are gonna objectify regardless, then good on them.
And as Hayley's adult career progressed over the years she was doing that work, there was a time I even filmed some scenes for her. I would edit some of her content.
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Chapter 3: How did Hayley's career progress from modeling to hardcore porn?
I was still helping with media to promote her as a famous escort. And I was even there as her date at the Adult Industry Choice Awards when she won Best Newcomer Female Porn Star in 2022. And I...
always believed that she truly loved what she was doing and she was so proud of it and since she quit the industry we haven't actually had this chat until now hello hayley vernon how are you i'm very good how are you doing i'm good we're creating controversy on the internet yeah i'm having a minor life crisis and i'm turning to you as a friend in need
Oh, I'm here for you. I'm here for you. What was I going to say to you? Was that real that you posted about consoling Stefano? Was that yesterday that that happened? Was it like in real time?
Yeah, everything you've just watched was yesterday.
Okay, cool. So he broke down after seeing the comments about work?
Yeah, I think like he's proud of like, you know, he's not ashamed of doing OnlyFans. His family know his friend, like he's made a good income and a life for himself. But I think he's never really had any negativity attached to it until now. And seeing that in the dynamic of, you know, it's not just him as a creator, it's him as a creator now in a relationship.
Yeah. Yeah. Which is like a whole different kettle of fish.
Yeah, and he went into this project with me thinking his partner would just have to accept it, you know, because that's his income. And I think he slowly...
challenging that thought and you know I've only known the guy almost three weeks you can't do that overnight it's funny because when I was a content creator I had the same expectation as what Stefano had that I would find someone and then they'd have to be okay with it because work is work and a sexualized relationship with love in it is different two different things right yeah and then I um it just doesn't work like that and look at looking back on it I just realized that
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Chapter 4: What regrets does Hayley have about her time in the adult industry?
I'm making an income. And then now I've, like, seen it on the other foot, and I'm just like ā I just feel like it's ā And it's not that Stefano or myself were in positions where we couldn't do other things. Are we normalizing the fact that this is a quick, easy buck?
I think like in the chats I've had with him, like he, you know, coming here from Argentina, he would have to study
a lot to be a lawyer here like he was at home and he his friends who are also from south america like you know they're just doing casual bar jobs waiting and he's like i don't want to go back to that like i look at the lifestyle this has afforded me like he's questioning if he steps away what does he do because if he gets the jobs like his friends have got you know his incomes what 20 of what he's making now i assume and he can't afford you know to live on his own and
Yeah, there's a lot attached to it.
There's a lot to balance up, but there's also a lot of options. Like this doesn't need to be a long-term thing. Is he planning on doing this forever?
No, he says it's not forever, but he's not really far about the logistics of that.
Yeah. I suppose, like, I don't know, in my position. If I really loved someone, then I'd make a game plan out of it because the love would supersede the monetary value of what I'm doing, you know. It kind of depends where he wants to go with this and how far in the relationship he is.
What was it like for you? Because obviously just to let the listeners know, like our backstory, I met you when you were filming Maths, which was six years ago now, was it?
Ages.
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Chapter 5: How has Hayley normalized the conversation around sex work?
So, I started off, like you said, with the topless photos and whatnot, and then that progressed quite rapidly and it was a slippery slope. I kept trying to justify it to myself because of the money that I was being made. Slowly, scene by scene, movie by movie, the more people that I slept with, I became so detached from who I was as a human.
The thing is that we can talk about this empowerment and put a lot of self in it, but It is just that. It's acting. And you start acting so much that you forget actually who you are and what your values are, and the line becomes quite blurred. Now, I'm talking on behalf of myself, but I'm also talking from a perspective where I've seen ā
I don't want to say low-level sex workers, but there's a spectrum to everything, right? You've got your low-tier moneymakers. And just the stats on OnlyFans, I think it's the average creator makes between $150 to $500 a month. People aren't killing it on OnlyFans, right? And it's the most over-glorified platform. And, you know, I played a part in that. But
you start acting so much and becoming this character that isn't you that you actually forget to be you and then when it comes to interacting in everyday life and normal conversations you actually start getting riddled with anxiety and fear because you're so used to standing on something that is so far removed from who god has called you to be and who you were made to be that
you just don't have a firm foundation anymore.
Yeah, that's crazy hearing you say that and reaching that point. And it's interesting because I feel like every year when we get new maths people or new celebrities or anyone joins OnlyFans, the first thing they seem to do is boast about how much they've made.
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Chapter 6: What challenges does Hayley face in her personal life regarding relationships?
And I've always felt
that is just them trying to justify it to themselves and like get validation from the people who are you know judging them being like well yeah i'm doing this but look i've just made 20 grand this month the money's great like don't get me wrong when you first start like you know i i went from absolutely busting my balls quite frankly like at a normal nine to five job working overtime on the phone on emails you know as a finance broker
to having exponential amounts of money hitting my account that I could never have fathomed. So it's great at the start, but everything comes at a cost. It comes at a cost, and it comes at a cost personally. You lose yourself. You end up losing your identity. You become so de-attached from the normal world that, like I said, you just ā you forget the value of a dollar and it doesn't last.
The trajectory is so steep and so fast and it comes down quite quickly as well. Now, like I said, I was on the other end of the scale. So that's not your average kind of creator. Now,
Stefano is in a position where I don't know his whole story, but just say, for instance, he's going for PR, they're going to do background checks, or I don't know what his case is, or let's talk about the average woman or the average male that is on the platform as well. They go in, they go in hard and fast, they get money that they haven't had before, then they start having all these problems.
They might start drinking to deal with what's actually going on, you know, because they've been forced into a position that they generally don't want to go in. And I'm not saying that everyone has substance abuse issues, but then that comes crashing down. You then have to step back into the public eye. Now, I have had conversations with you before, Joshua. I was like, no, that's okay.
Like, I'm, and this is going to sound so big headed, but this is what I actually thought. I thought, oh, well, you know, I've been on a TV show. Everyone knows what I do. So I'll be able to step back into the normal workplace and no one will care. Well, they do care. Society does care. What was I going to write on a resume that I've been doing? And then everyone knows.
And most employers these days will jump on Google and do a search. Everything is up there. It's taken me 19 months. to just get my videos off Pornhub. Now, OnlyFans, the video content is not copyrighted purely to OnlyFans. So my pornography is all over the world. Now, this isn't something that I went into naive and thought, oh, I knew this was going to happen.
But to the extent that it was going to happen and it was going to damage me, I totally underestimated it. And, you know, this is someone like myself who is known and in some regard has a little bit more leeway when going into industry because it is so public. But your average Joe, your average person, that is just so detrimental.
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Chapter 7: How does Hayley view the impact of hyper-sexualization in society?
Like, because if he saw that within himself, he'd know that. Right. So he wouldn't need to search for it outside of himself. But this validation is coming from other people outside of himself. So you become insecure. Yeah.
you're looking for validation through the external through what you're actually looking uh what you look like through the superficial as opposed to like knowing your self-worth and so now like he's getting it uh reconfirmed by strangers which is sad within itself because he's lost who he is through doing this yeah and i suppose now i mean with me and him it's
Like, I understand all your views on it, but I still think deep down that there can be a balance. I don't know whether it's solo content as he goes to that solo content whilst exploring different career opportunities. Do you know what I mean?
100% I think I think it's a worthwhile conversation you know at the end of the day it's this is like totally my perspective on it from being like you know in my shoes and as a couple you need to navigate that but you need to be comfortable with it as well and he needs to be comfortable with it but what a what a great thing it would be for him to realize that he's so much more than that and um getting a game plan to get out because it's not something that has longevity um
or maybe he's happy with that. But I just know that, remember when I used to have those conversations with you and I used to be like, oh, you know, the right type of guy will like, you know, be okay with it. And, you know, I said it to you like a million times, like about getting a partner.
I'm so thankful because I would never want to date a man that would be okay with me doing it because it shows the values that he has. And the type of guy that I wanted would not want his missus showing their bits and pieces to the world. He would just want it for a loving relationship.
yeah and i recall actually this couple of years ago but i remember when you started to feel like you were developing feelings for someone but he was a client was he and like i remember thinking well that's never gonna be because he doesn't see you as hayley and all the things and you know your values and you as a person he's he's paid you for the hour and that's how you've met him and
A hundred, a hundred, a hundred percent. But that's how low my self-worth got because I was like, you start to just push all your standards, all your, everything that you would have stood for just dropped so much lower because you're kind of happy with what you can get at that point.
That's actually, I don't think I ever told you this, but remember when we, you first started doing OnlyFans and I was kind of part of that journey with you. And then do you remember I was briefly selling my socks?
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