The ceasefire between Israel and Iran appears to be holding for now. But as this conflict has played out, along with other ongoing wars around the world, it got us thinking: What does war even look like in 2025? In Ukraine, it looks like drone and missile attacks side-by-side with everyday life. On the show today, longtime international correspondent Deborah Amos joins us from Kyiv, Ukraine to talk about how modern warfare has changed.Here’s everything we talked about today:"Bank hacks, internet shutdowns and crypto heists: Here’s how the war between Israel and Iran is playing out in cyberspace" from Politico"Combat drones: We are in a new era of warfare - here's why" from BBC News"FPV drones in Ukraine are changing modern warfare" from Atlantic Council"Cyber Operations during the Russo-Ukrainian War" from the Center for Strategic and International Studies “‘Will Trump give up the store?’ Edward Fishman on how US economic warfare works – and doesn’t" from The GuardianGot a question for the hosts? Email [email protected] or leave us a voicemail at 508-U-B-SMART.

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