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Mamamia Out Loud

'The Chatbot History That Ruined My Relationship’

10 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?

0.031 - 22.382 Holly Wainwright

Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about on Friday the 10th of April. I'm Holly Wainwright. I'm Clare Stephens. And I'm Em Burnham. And here's what's made our agenda for this Friday. There's a hack to simplifying your life that is also the perfect excuse for lazy girls. Welcome to your signature everything era.

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22.863 - 27.952 Holly Wainwright

Plus, there's a new way to do your lipstick and I guarantee you're not going to like it.

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28.813 - 35.465 Unknown

And the woman who discovered her boyfriend had discussed all his doubts about their relationship with ChatGPT.

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36.527 - 46.396 Holly Wainwright

Oh, dear. But first, M. Vernon. According to science, there's a... I always say according to science, but then I never do the step further on finding out what the science is.

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46.516 - 47.658 Unknown

No, no, no, that's not important. So bear with me.

47.678 - 58.315 Holly Wainwright

Science is a person. According to science. According to science. There's a specific type of dance that men do that women find most appealing. I've seen it.

Chapter 2: How does having a 'Signature' simplify life?

58.335 - 59.116 Holly Wainwright

It's on Bad Bunny.

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60.318 - 60.919 Unknown

Oh, yeah.

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Chapter 3: What lipstick trend is currently being discussed?

60.899 - 62.721 Holly Wainwright

It's not that cool.

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62.841 - 63.942 Unknown

I'm telling you right now.

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63.962 - 77.754 Holly Wainwright

Sorry. So Hamish and Andy brought this to my attention, our mortal enemies. Our nemesis. Scientists in the UK have come up with a little video of this avatar dancing and it's meant to be very attractive to women.

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Chapter 4: What relationship issues did Lindsey discover through ChatGPT?

78.034 - 90.805 Holly Wainwright

So I think they got a bunch of women together. This is what I'm assuming happened. They got a bunch of women together and they're like, what's your favorite type of dance on a man? And one woman's like, I like hip movements. And one woman's like, I like hands. And they put it all in this avatar and he's just doing the most. And is it sexy?

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90.953 - 118.412 Holly Wainwright

So what Hamish and Andy did was that they got together with their producer, Jack, and they all wore the same outfit with a paper bag on the head. And they all took turns doing a dance for 30 seconds. And they got five women to vote for who was the best dancer. Hamish was the one who learned the avatar dance, who learned the alleged like really attractive dance. And this is what he looked like.

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by doing the scientifically most sexy dance, but it's on me if I can recreate the sample that I have.

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127.511 - 139.087 Holly Wainwright

Running man. That's quite hot. I like that. That's the circle work arms. Coordination. You can tell he's concentrating so hard, even with the bag on his head. The clapping, is that hot?

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139.668 - 141.15 Unknown

Oh, yeah. Yeah, infants in rhythm.

141.17 - 142.632 Holly Wainwright

Oh, windmills. No, I hate windmills.

Chapter 5: What dance moves are scientifically proven to be attractive to women?

142.652 - 143.794 Holly Wainwright

You're going to take someone out with that.

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143.814 - 149.302 Unknown

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are. You are. It's very, it's very, like, manspready.

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149.643 - 157.676 Holly Wainwright

Yes. It's taking up a lot of space. It's a bit more contained. You're right. Do we like a man to take up space on the dance floor? Because then it becomes a performance.

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157.716 - 158.056 Unknown

Yeah.

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158.096 - 171.077 Holly Wainwright

I've just realised that I've mum danced my way through this whole thing. This is really mortifying. So Hamish nearly came last when these women voted. But I don't think, like, those kind of moves seem a bit aggressive for me.

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Yeah.

171.785 - 196.176 Holly Wainwright

Show me, you can do it from a seated position, but what you like, how you like a man to dance. Shoulders. And like some gentle hips. Emphasis on the gentle. Yeah. Gentle hips. So not Bad Bunny style. Well, I don't want to be twerking, but then the guy next to me is a better twerker than me. You don't want to be out-twerked. Do you want him to be reacting to your twerking? No. Not like that. No.

196.476 - 202.923 Holly Wainwright

But just in general, like, as in he can give me some whoop, whoop. But, like, stay away from me, sir. Respectful distance.

202.943 - 224.442 Unknown

See, I think on a dance floor, men generally, not always, need to be somewhat neutral dancing. Like, yes, I see what you're saying with the, like, this and then coordinating with the hips. Yeah. But if you're going too much, that is overshadowing. The ladies, many of whom have spent decades in dance classes and need a moment to shine.

Chapter 6: How do personal insecurities impact relationships?

304.207 - 305.61 Holly Wainwright

And he like hits the water. He's so sexy.

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305.63 - 328.206 Unknown

There is a scene in a terrible, I'd call it appalling movie called New Year's Eve, but there is a saving grace scene at the end where Zac Efron just has a dance all over him. And it's so hot. And greatest showman. He's amazing. Yes, he's a good dancer. But when I saw this Hamish, Andy and Jack dance, I thought it was very clever for one that they all wore the same outfit.

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328.226 - 343.946 Unknown

They wore Andy's outfit because Hamish and Jack's outfits that day were horrific. Yeah, they wore shorts. They wore shorts and shorts would be an ick and that was very clever. No. But none of their dancing was sexy and this dance that the freaking robot does is absolutely appalling.

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344.086 - 344.706 Holly Wainwright

Yeah.

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344.726 - 345.287 Unknown

It's not sexy.

345.307 - 347.289 Holly Wainwright

What if it has Zac Efron's face on it though?

347.63 - 354.377 Unknown

No, because Zac Efron is quite technically skilled. Like every now and then he goes into like a Michael Jackson move.

354.417 - 365.61 Holly Wainwright

Do you think that if you were on a date with Ryan Gosling, this is something I think about a lot, do you think that he would just suddenly break into like full la-la-land tap? Because... That's hot.

365.63 - 366.351 Unknown

Yeah.

Chapter 7: What ethical concerns arise from using AI in personal relationships?

400.276 - 414.236 Holly Wainwright

Scientifically proven to be hot. Yeah. Okay. Even with bag on head, taking notes. Tick it off. No air guitar though. Brent needs to take notes on that. That's the other middle-aged man dances the air guitar.

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414.256 - 415.878 Unknown

I bet he looks very sexy doing that.

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416.119 - 437.938 Holly Wainwright

Only to me. Only to me. Okay. Moving on. I am going to change your lives with some very important information that I found out this week on a sub stack. That's why we change lives these days, friends. Sign up to the Mamma Mia Out Loud one. This woman called Shira Gill, she is a world-renowned organisational expert.

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437.958 - 463.8 Holly Wainwright

She's written books about how to, like, streamline things, make fewer decisions in your life, be cool, be classy. Her vibe, her aesthetic is very... Gwyneth, kind of beige LA. Your dream. Yeah. I would love this shit. I just can't pull it off. But anyway, she wrote a sub stack about how we all need to adopt a signature everything and it will change our lives. Let me explain.

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464.26 - 469.007 Holly Wainwright

She wrote, we make roughly 35,000 decisions a day. I don't think I

469.477 - 470.699 Unknown

No, I don't think so.

470.779 - 472.181 Holly Wainwright

35,000? That's a lot, right?

472.501 - 475.405 Unknown

I reckon I make five and then I give up.

475.425 - 491.687 Holly Wainwright

Then you just go with the flow. Most of them so small we don't even register making them. What to wear, what to eat for breakfast, which coffee to order, da-da-da-da-da. Collectively they drain our mental energy, says Shira, before we've even started the meaningful work of our day.

Chapter 8: What recommendations were made for weekend entertainment?

596.971 - 597.652 Holly Wainwright

Slap white girl?

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598.874 - 604.003 Unknown

What the hell? Latte? Sorry, you think I can have a coffee that doesn't have a little bit of chocolate on top?

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604.183 - 606.888 Holly Wainwright

Cappuccino. You don't know me.

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607.008 - 608.27 Unknown

She's a cappuccino girl.

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609.192 - 631.716 Holly Wainwright

But – Also, Shira says, we should extend signatures beyond those things. So a signature place to go. So if you've got something to celebrate, always go there. A signature gift, a signature menu if people ever come to your house. A menu? Even a signature workout. So basically, if someone comes to your house, Em, you're always giving them the same thing. It's not laziness or predictability.

631.797 - 636.642 Holly Wainwright

It's your signature. Well, it's kind of true. Like they all get a tin of tuna straight from the tin.

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Yeah.

636.742 - 648.996 Holly Wainwright

And we all share one fork each. You hand a fork to everybody. It's like the garlic chilli one, so it's quite nice. Oh, I love that one. Is this genius in simplifying your life or is this a massive cop-out?

649.651 - 676.117 Unknown

I think that there is an element of it that is actually genius because it does cut out a lot of that decision making. However, some of them, they do border on. Actually, no, they don't border on ridiculous because I think all of us do have a signature of all of those things. They're just not something that we're proud of. So when people come to my house, my signature meal is takeaway.

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