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Mamamia Out Loud

The One Number That Says Absolutely Everything About You

03 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What Easter egg ranking is Clare Stephens presenting?

0.048 - 13.434 Holly Wainwright

Hello and welcome to Mamma Mia Out Loud. It's what women are actually talking about on Friday the 3rd of April. It's Good Friday. And if you're surprised that we are bringing you a full show on Good Friday.

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13.655 - 15.098 Emily Vernem

It's because hustlers never quit.

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15.318 - 24.976 Holly Wainwright

I was going to say, if you are feeling that this is a holy day, just address your concerns to capitalism. Send your emails of complaint to capitalism. That's what I would like to say.

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25.216 - 29.943 Emily Vernem

I think my nano, as you say, Good Friday is more important than Easter Sunday.

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29.963 - 31.045 Holly Wainwright

Yep, it is for some people.

31.065 - 31.906 Emily Vernem

Religiously.

32.367 - 46.486 Holly Wainwright

The thing I know most about Good Friday from my years of camping and things at Easter. the bottle shops are shut. Yep. It's the only day of the year. Yep, because we're mourning Jesus' death, aren't we? I know. So happy, oh, no, I was going to say happy Good Friday.

46.506 - 47.948 Emily Vernem

That's not correct. No, absolutely not.

47.968 - 54.817 Holly Wainwright

Happy Easter long weekend if you are having one. Here is what, oh, sorry, I'm Holly Wainwright. Hello.

Chapter 2: Why is the Enneagram personality test trending now?

165.755 - 166.596 Emily Vernem

Absolutely appalling.

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166.616 - 170.222 Holly Wainwright

When I was a kid, there were some kids at school who got presents at Easter.

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170.705 - 171.726 Emily Vernem

Yeah, I remember that.

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171.746 - 178.412 Holly Wainwright

Presents, like gifts, as if it was Christmas. And I was like, that is wild.

178.772 - 184.357 Emily Vernem

Do people do that? No, I remember that in primary school. And I remember my mum being horrified by consumerism.

Chapter 3: What should you avoid doing an hour before a date?

184.678 - 202.655 Emily Vernem

But I did think I'd share, you know, just share my knowledge about what the most elite eggs are. I guess you guys can weigh in, you'll be wrong. But the most elite egg for gifting purposes is the Big Cadbury. Crunchy one.

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202.755 - 203.877 Emily Vernem

No, no, no. Wrong.

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Chapter 4: What chaotic pre-date disasters have been shared?

203.897 - 219.939 Emily Vernem

It looks like a turd. No. Wrong. No, no, no. Looks can be deceiving. It's thin milk chocolate and then it's got little bits of crunchy and then it has like mini crunchy eggs inside. There are eight. That's a good number. So you get eight pieces of disappointment.

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219.959 - 229.332 Holly Wainwright

It's not enough in my opinion. If you're going to have a big egg, it needs to be full of stuff. You know sometimes you buy a big egg and you smash it and there's nothing inside.

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229.312 - 250.141 Emily Vernem

Oh, that's so disappointing. Too hollow. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I was going to say that sometimes I do the eight mini eggs and then I do put the big hollow egg in the freezer for later. Yeah. And that's a lovely experience. Yum. Along with the plain Cadbury dairy milk mini eggs. Agreed. Are the elite mini egg.

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250.201 - 254.287 Clare Stephens

And the one where the blue turns into a purple is the best tasting one.

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Yes.

254.928 - 256.41 Clare Stephens

It's all about the foil.

256.43 - 259.414 Emily Vernem

It's all about the foil. That's exactly what I was going to say. I don't want a yellow.

259.455 - 261.117 Clare Stephens

No. I don't want a lime green.

261.197 - 262.559 Emily Vernem

Yellow, orange, red, no.

Chapter 5: What experiences do people have with queues?

328.64 - 333.552 Emily Vernem

Not a fan of Caramilk, Cadbury cream eggs or the ones with caramel inside.

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333.532 - 354.75 Holly Wainwright

Although I do, I love a Cadbury's cream egg. When I was a child, sometimes my mum, who was a busy working mother, hashtag, would bring one back from the supermarket for me and my brother just as a treat and it would be the most amazing thing ever. She'd, like, pull it out of her sleeve as if it was. And they are the bomb. I haven't eaten one as an adult, though, I have to say. They seem a lot.

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354.871 - 357.235 Holly Wainwright

I don't like being surprised by content in my egg.

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357.816 - 373.434 Emily Vernem

Great. I agree. I don't like being surprised by the colour. That can be quite distressing. It's fondant. Yeah. Yes, I think that's what's inside. Exactly. Red tulip Easter bunnies. Nope. No. Absolutely not. I'll eat it. I'll eat it. No. But I'm not going to enjoy it.

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373.454 - 390.814 Holly Wainwright

See, the way it goes in my world, regular Outlouders will know this, I wrote a fricking book about it, but I'm always camping at Easter. In fact, I'm camping right now. While you're listening to this, I am camping. The problems that you have, and all Easter campers know this, is we camp with a load of kids. You've all got to take your eggs for the Easter hunt.

391.254 - 414.163 Holly Wainwright

They will melt because it is invariably hot. So you've always got to have an esky that's got ice in it where the eggs will go, but then the water gets in, the cardboard around the eggs breaks down. Like it's very high maintenance. But I've always believed in quality for me, so little – Cute lint ones. And cheap rubbish at scale for the children.

414.764 - 426.123 Holly Wainwright

Because the kids only care about how big their egg is. They don't really care about the taste. So you just go hardcore cheap chocolate for the children and you keep back the lint minis for yourself.

Chapter 6: How does the Enneagram relate to modern dating?

426.523 - 427.525 Unknown

That's the only way to do it.

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427.986 - 455.676 Holly Wainwright

One year I got Brent to buy the Easter eggs. You won't be surprised to know that he went... full cheap chocolate. And I think it was the year that I'd just written some story about some NRL player that was being bad or something. And he got me a big NRL themed Easter egg for Easter. And all my friends laughed at me and it tasted awful. It tasted like shame and disappointment. And wax. Okay.

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456.112 - 471.716 Holly Wainwright

Amy Poehler started this for me, right? I listen to her podcast, Good Hang. We've talked about it before. And in almost every single episode, she brings up Enneagrams, right? Does she get the guests to do them before? Well, she always asks them what they are.

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471.896 - 481.731 Holly Wainwright

So she's like, I think it only works with other people who are into it, which is what leads me to believe that all of Hollywood is into it because they all know. Because Amy is an eight.

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481.711 - 484.156 Emily Vernem

And which ones are the challenger?

484.517 - 501.497 Holly Wainwright

That is a challenger. And she's made it pretty much her whole personality. And that's because it is her personality, right? It's her Enneagram number. And if you don't know what we're talking about, I'm going to give you a quick breakdown. In Hollywood right now, it's very hot. It's on all the self-optimization podcasts.

501.517 - 519.443 Holly Wainwright

But management trainers, leadership coaches, you know, those team-building exercises you're often asked to do at work, they've been loving the Enneagram for a long time. If you need any further proof of how hot it is, the other week, in fact, just the other day, I was listening to my friend Gwyneth, who's one, just so that you know, Of course she's a one.

519.583 - 522.247 Emily Vernem

And a one is the reformer.

522.347 - 538.289 Holly Wainwright

She was interviewing Andrew Huberman, who is like self-optimisation. You can imagine the excellent bullshit that was on that podcast. It was fabulous. And they were talking about Enneagrams and Gwyneth says to him, do you use them in hiring? And I was like, oh my God.

Chapter 7: What are the best recommendations for the Easter weekend?

588.125 - 609.414 Holly Wainwright

do you tend to blend your personality based on the people you're with do you find it hard to say no those kind of things right and after you've answered those for about 15 minutes it spits you out a list of numbers and one of them will be at the top and that is your number and you are stuck with it right So, you two, did you do the test? Em, did you do the test? What did you find?

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609.474 - 625.417 Holly Wainwright

I did do the test because you told me I had to do it. So I did have to do it for work purposes. Do you like these kind of things or not? Personality quizzes? Like, it isn't really that different from those ones you used to do in magazines when you were a kid and it would be like, mostly A's. You're excellent. Mostly C's. You're a punish.

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625.557 - 644.709 Clare Stephens

I was really into it when I was younger because I think that the answer to these personality tests would be like what I would be like when I grew up. And we did like the Myers-Briggs and stuff when I was younger. Now I just feel like there's so many. So the only reason I'm interested in this one is because I feel like it's the big one right now. It is. It's the big one. But there's so many.

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644.809 - 648.516 Clare Stephens

Like we did love languages. We do it all. And I feel like they're all different types of personality.

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648.576 - 666.076 Holly Wainwright

And to be clear, the reason that managers love to do this, and I went on my first management course like – nearly 20 years ago probably, and the first thing they made us all do was a personality test. I think it was Myers-Briggs. And the reason they like to do it is because it's supposed to teach you about how to get the best out of your people.

666.416 - 682.341 Emily Vernem

I also think, like, yes, but I also think with, because that's sort of been replaced a bit by the Enneagram now. I did a leadership thing maybe five years ago and we did the Enneagram. I also think it's a bit of an easy trick to make you feel seen.

682.321 - 690.894 Holly Wainwright

Yeah, because everybody likes to talk about themselves, right? Anyway, back to you, friend. When you get my answer.

690.914 - 707.679 Clare Stephens

What did you get? I got a three, which is the achiever. And I'm about to read out the traits of myself, which will, I'm sure, make everybody not want to do this test. So threes are self-assured, attractive and charming.

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