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Chapter 1: What significant event does this episode reflect on?
This is one of those days, gang, where there is all kinds of other news. But I'm obliged to remind you, as always, the economy doesn't just stop, you know. From American Public Media, this is Market Class. In Los Angeles, I'm Kyle Risdell. It is Wednesday. Today, this one, is the first day of April. Good as always to have you along, everybody. Well, let's see.
There was that Supreme Court oral argument this morning. There was a rocket going to the moon this afternoon. And a speech by the president tonight signifying nobody knows quite what just yet about the war. So while we wait for things to play out, we here are going to stick to our knitting. And we are going to do it with an eye on the calendar.
Tomorrow makes it a year to the day since President Trump decided he was going to tariff goods from just about every country on the planet, including—and I am not making this up— a colony of penguins near Antarctica. The Supreme Court, as you know, said the president couldn't do tariffs the way he wanted to do tariffs.
So the White House is and has been working hard to find new ways to tax Americans for the imported products that they buy. Other countries, meanwhile, as if we needed another reminder that incentives matter, other countries have been turning away from the United States and toward each other. Marketplace's Sabri Beneshour gets us going with that.
Well, well, well, how time flies when you've been throwing global supply chains into chaos. It really has been a crazy year. Ted Murphy is a partner at law firm Sidley Austin. While the U.S. has been putting up its own tariff walls, other countries have been tearing down theirs.
And we see it almost every day now where new negotiations or new agreements are being reached without the United States.
Malaysia signed a trade agreement with the UAE. The U.K.
signed one with almost the entire Pacific Rim. Europe has been on a free trade rampage. Finalizing its deal with the Latin American bloc, then inking a deal with India, and just this week signing another agreement with Australia. Scott Lincecum is VP of Econ and Trade at the Cato Institute. Now, you may be thinking, oh, well, the U.S. has signed a bunch of deals, too.
Yes, but those deals are very different. For starters, they're not very detailed. Ambiguities mean uncertainty, a vague deal with just a few broad terms. Like Europe has to pay a 15 percent tariff, but maybe not on pharmaceuticals. We'll deal with that later. Really hides tons of devils in the lack of details. Businesses don't like that. Also, U.S.
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Chapter 2: How have tariffs affected U.S. small businesses?
is at a global disadvantage. Still, she says, the U.S. has extracted a lot of concessions from other countries.
provisions that we've been fighting for for years in terms of getting countries to lower a number of their non-tariff barriers.
like Vietnam easing regulations on U.S. cars, for example. U.S. companies, though, are paying a price for those wins, literally paying tariffs and having to live with a lot more uncertainty. In New York, I'm Sabri Beneshour for Marketplace. According to the Yale Budget Lab, the overall tariff rate in this economy for most of last year was 14.3 percent. That's the highest it has been since 1939.
And while we have all been feeling that in one way or another, it's small businesses that have been dealing most directly with the president's tariffs. Ali Trela Jones owns Bruised Boutique. It's a skate shop up in Nashville, New Hampshire. Something as simple as like a roller skate helmet or a skateboard helmet used to be when we opened our store was $35. Now they're almost $100.
And I know that after 15, you know, 17 years that we've been in business, that's going to happen.
But most of that, I'd say like $60 and above was in the last year. Profit-wise, it's definitely a lot lower than past years. We've had to absorb some of these tariffs just to be able to sell the consumer something that is reasonably priced.
And it's also been challenging on me as an employer. You know, we've had to make sure that we maybe have less employees. We don't have as much cash on hand as we would like. It's also been challenging as far as the mental aspects because, you know, taking out a loan when you're not sure where the economy is going to be is...
kind of stressful and you know looking towards am I going to have am I going to have a business for my employees or are we going to have to shut down this year you know so it's like those are the kind of things that you start to think about when I've never had to make those thoughts before normally we have a five-year plan and normally we have a three-year plan but right now it's just stay above water stay above water that's all we keep saying to ourselves
Ali Trela Jones, owner of Bruised Boutique in Nashua, New Hampshire. In related news, Bloomberg spotted this tariff tidbit. In a court filing yesterday, Customs and Border Protection said its systems are set up to handle 63 percent of the refund claims submitted so far. No word on the fate of the remaining 37 percent of those claims. Wall Street today. War? What war?
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Chapter 3: What impact have tariffs had on global trade relationships?
Anyone with an idea was relatively easily able to present it.
In a lot of ways, that evened the playing field. Retail has traditionally been about who you know and what stores you can get your products into. All direct-to-consumer requires is an idea and an internet connection, at least at the beginning.
This is the dichotomy between coming up with a brilliant idea and then managing it brilliantly after it's been noticed by consumers.
Brands like Glossier and Casper quickly attracted attention from venture capital and private equity. Kevin Mullaney, CEO of the Grayson Company, a retail consulting group, says these investors usually push for fast growth.
They're not going to be patient and they will tend to force bad decisions.
Allbirds opened dozens of stores in just a couple of years. Mullaney says most brands do need physical retail to grow their customer base. Warby Parker is one company he says has done this successfully. The problem is a lot of brands were trying to do everything, everywhere, all at once. Meanwhile, the direct-to-consumer space was getting more competitive.
There was the pandemic-driven online shopping boom and the rise of TikTok.
As more people got onto that, the cost of acquiring customers grew.
Allbirds moved into apparel and accessories and tried to become known for more than its washable wool shoes. Jessica Ramirez is co-founder of the advisory firm, The Consumer Collective.
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Chapter 4: How are American manufacturers coping with tariffs?
But, you know, my own view is just focusing so much on manufacturing jobs and manufacturing is already a very small part of the economy feels feels pretty misguided to me. Matt Notable-Digdo is a professor of economics at the University of Chicago, the Booth School of Business there. Professor, thanks a lot for your time. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
The Trump administration did remove its tariffs on certain commodities back in November, specifically what are called non-domestic commodities, things we just can't produce here. Think, in our case right now, bananas and coffee and cocoa. The catch, of course, is that a lot of businesses are still dealing with input costs on all kinds of things that are still being tariffed.
Those two things are handy to know. As you hear from Kristen Talheimer-Bingham, she's the co-owner of Dean's Sweets in Portland, Maine.
I don't know quite why this is or how this is, but it feels like business is just as hard as ever and at the same time, it feels like business is harder than ever. If the idea around tariffs is to confuse everyone, I think that's been successful. We're still growing. We're still investing. Our sales are more and more centered around the fourth quarter of the year.
So as we approach the spring and summer, that's a little scary. But of course, we're doing everything we can to stay in the game. But more than ever, we're watching our spending very carefully. Our rent, our payroll, our ingredients all cost more and our sales truthfully have pretty much flattened out over the last year. The costs of cocoa skyrocketed in 2024 and then doubled in 2025.
But so far this year, we're told cocoa and chocolate costs will be more stable. So that's good news. It definitely makes me feel hopeful that 2026 could be a better year for us.
Here's hoping. Kristen Solheimer Bingham. She's the co-owner of Dean Sweets in Portland, Maine. Coming up. I mean, I like to think of myself as brilliant, but there's been a lot of dumb luck. Don't sell yourself short, man. First, though, let's do the numbers. Dow Industrials up 224 points today, a half percent, 46,565. The NASDAQ added 250 points. That is 1.2 percent, 21,840.
The S&P 500 gained 46.7 percent, 65.75. Allbirds, Christian was just talking about that, down four-tenths of one percent. Warby Parker, which has announced it's ending the home try-on program for glasses it was once known for. And really, I use that like a lot. It stinks. Shares grew one-third of 1%.
Peloton, purveyor of exercise equipment that may or may not turn into clothes racks, was essentially flat. Also, why don't you just ride a bike outside? Seriously. Bonds down. Yield on the 10-year T-note rose 4.32%. You're listening to Marketplace. This is Marketplace. I'm Kai Risdahl. Don't look now, but the American consumer just ain't giving up.
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Chapter 5: What challenges do small businesses face due to tariffs?
Our products, again, are used for food and beverage processing and production. It's directly tied to the prices you pay at the grocery store. So while we've struggled to maintain just the same margin, we're actually passing on huge price increases that ultimately are paid by the consumer. Todd Adams, he's the president of Sanitube. It's in Lakeland, Florida.
This final note on the way out today in which companies just like people that don't remember history are doomed to repeat it. Saw this in Bloomberg that Red Lobster, the seafood chain that was driven into bankruptcy in 2024 by its endless shrimp promotion that is literally incredibly popular and incredibly damaging to the bottom line. All you can eat shrimp.
Bloomberg says the company is bringing it back. I wonder what's going to happen. Our media production team includes Brian Allison, John Foche, Montana Johnson, Drew Jostad, Gary O'Keefe, and Charlton Thorpe. Alex Simpson is the manager of media production. And I'm Kai Rizdal. We will see you tomorrow, everybody. This is APM.