The music industry vs. AI (rerun)
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Hello, everyone. I'm Kimberly Adams. Welcome back to Make Me Smart, where none of us is as smart as all of us. Today, we're going to take a look at the music business, and there is a lot going down in that industry, both with big artists and behind the scenes. You may have heard recently that the AI company Anthropic agreed to pay authors $1.5 billion to settle a an AI copyright case and while yes this has big implications for the news and the book publishing industries we wanted to talk about what this might mean for the music business where there are a bunch of copyright fights happening right now and for that we are joined now by Dan Runcie who is the founder of Trapital a music and entertainment research group and Dan is here to make us smart about this industry and other industry news Dan welcome to the show
Thank you so much for having me. Excited to be here.
So what does this Anthropic Settlement mean for the music industry?
The Anthropic Settlement was big, and I think a lot of people in the music industry, specifically on the legal side, opened their eyes up because they saw a pathway for what the future could look like, especially with some of the ongoing legal disputes going on. The major record labels... Universal Music, Sony, and Warner have sued some of the AI companies that are using generative AI music, like Suno and Udio, because they believe that those companies had trained their models with the music that Universal Music Group and others own and are the rights holders to. So what we saw in the Anthropic case play out is that there was a settlement that was reached because they... deemed that there was copyright infringement based on the book authors from pulling that same information and pulling that same media and using it to train anthropics models, such as Claude, the generative AI platform that a lot of us use.
So from a high level, we think this may end up in a similar settlement, maybe likely a smaller dollar amount, just given some of the terms that are discussed. But I do think that people see that what happened with Anthropic and the book publishers could be a precedent for what happens with music.
In what ways, though, is music different than how the book and publishing industry works in terms of copyright?
A few ways. So the book publishers do tend to be a bit more fragmented, I would say, because there are your publishing houses, like your random houses and penguins that are stronger. But in music, things are much more consolidated because you have your major record labels, the ones I mentioned, but you also have your industry labels. trade and union organizations like the RIAA, which focuses on the recording side, or the National Music Publishers Association, the NMPA, that focuses on the music publishing side of things. And all of them come together and form a pretty united front that can help music make sure that it is getting its rights and making sure that they are getting fairly compensated for any of the use of its music in social media or any things like that.
And that's especially what the crux of this case is. So I think what we'll see in music is if we were able to see a lawsuit result that happens with this class action case that rewards the booksellers, I think you could see likely similar, if not more action that's taken on the music side because of the strength and the lobbying efforts that already exist and are strong in the industry.
All this really comes down to this concept of what is considered fair use versus copyright violations and privacy. And while Anthropic may have settled, other AI companies are fighting tooth and nail to try to say that training their algorithms on these works should be considered fair use.
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