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Agentic AI anxiety

21 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What is agentic AI and how does it differ from traditional AI?

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Storms, floods, and fires are ever more extreme. And yet, the Federal Emergency Management Agency is fighting for its life.

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I've never been a big fan of FEMA. FEMA's a disaster. FEMA's a dirty word.

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People are waking up in droves to the FEMA camps. Can the agency survive the stories that have been told about it? And can we survive without FEMA? American Emergency, the movement to kill FEMA, is a brand new series from WNYC's On The Media. Listen wherever you get your podcasts. One of these days we will get through this show without using the word uncertainty. Today, however, is not that day.

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From American Public Media, this is Market Plan. In Los Angeles, I'm Kai Risdell. It is Tuesday today, the 21st of April.

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Chapter 2: How can personalized AI agents enhance productivity?

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Good as always to have you along, everybody. The on again, off again, on, off, on, off, on again nature of President Trump's war against Iran seems to be in an off. Late this afternoon, after the markets closed, interestingly enough, the president announced on his social media feed that he is extending the ceasefire that had been scheduled to end tomorrow.

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There are some caveats and conditions, but the net effect does seem to be no more bombing. For now, the market response tomorrow, TBD if traders aren't numb to the whole thing already. But as you know, whenever there is as much uncertainty in the air as there is now, investors pile money into the safest assets out there, among them, of course, the U.S.

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dollar, the value of which jumped when the war started and over the first month of it or so rose about 3%. Since, though, the greenback has given up nearly all of those gains. Marketplace' Justin Ho has more on what's weighing on the dollar and what it might mean. The dollar's value rose early in the war, in large part because the conflict has had an outsized impact on the rest of the world.

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It's bad for the United States. It's just that it's worse for everybody else. Ken Rogoff, an economics professor at Harvard, says other countries are much more affected by energy shortages from the Middle East. As a result, investors poured more money into U.S. assets.

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Chapter 3: What economic factors are currently affecting the U.S. dollar?

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When money flows to the United States, it pushes the dollar up. When there seems to be peace again, some of the money reflows back in the other direction. Rogoff says that's partly why the dollar's value started to fall after the ceasefire started a couple of weeks ago. But plenty of other things are dragging down the dollar's value, including the price of oil.

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80% of oil transactions are conducted in U.S. dollars.

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That's Juan Perez, director of trading at Monix USA. Oil prices surged at the outset of the conflict, but in recent weeks, they've fallen some.

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So naturally, with oil prices going down, the need for holding U.S. dollars or that necessity has faded away.

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There's also the president's approach to global trade. The dollar is perhaps a victim of the Trump administration's policies trying to extricate the U.S. from its role in the global economy. That's Christopher Vecchio, head of futures and FX at the research company Tasty Live.

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He says many investors have been shying away from the dollar because of how the Trump administration has treated its allies.

Chapter 4: How are budget airlines coping with rising jet fuel prices?

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Given how the Trump administration has conducted itself, in the lead up to this war, going after European allies for Greenland, how it's conducted itself during the war, chastising NATO. And Vecchio says even if the war in Iran were to end, those other concerns aren't going away. I'm Justin Ho for Marketplace. Wall Street today down, though not a whole bunch tomorrow. As I said, anybody's guess.

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We will have the details when we do the numbers.

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Nice job, gang. And by gang, I mean you, us, American consumers. War or no war, we kept on spending last month. March retail sales up 1.7% from February, 4% from a year ago. Good? Yes. Mostly?

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Chapter 5: What role does consumer credit play in today's economy?

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Also yes, as Daniel Ackerman reports. There's one thing to keep in mind about the strong sales numbers in March, says Rick Miller of Big Chalk Analytics. Retail spending numbers are how much money consumers spent on stuff, not how much stuff they got. The more than 15% jump in spending at gas stations isn't because everyone splurged on a weekend road trip.

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Still, stripping out volatile spending on gas and car parts, retail sales still rose 0.6% from the month before. Jessica Ramirez of the Consumer Collective says some of that is thanks to big tax refunds, but people are also taking on more debt in order to keep spending.

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We've seen buy now, pay later increase. We've seen credit card debt increase.

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Taking on debt can mean consumers see better days ahead. But Matt Schultz of LendingTree says there are some red flags. About 30% of buy now, pay later users are using those loans for groceries. That certainly doesn't seem like a sign of the healthiest consumer. He says just two years ago, buy now, pay later was more often used on discretionary items like handbags and gaming consoles.

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Perhaps the biggest reason people are still spending, though, is the labor market, says Craig Rowley of Korn Ferry.

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Unemployment is still in the 4% category, which historically is not high.

Chapter 6: How is the labor market influencing consumer spending habits?

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Rowley says that's a number to watch if you want to know where consumer spending could go in the future. I'm Daniel Ackerman for Marketplace. Justin told us about the dollar. Dan told us about consumers. Now, an industry that ties both of those pieces of this economy together, banks. Laurie Stewart is the CEO and president of Sound Community Bank in Seattle, Washington.

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Laurie, welcome back to the program. Well, it's a pleasure and an honor to be with you. Honor is ours. How are things at Sound Community Bank? Here's the easy first question. Well, things that sound community bank are good.

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You know, in this world we live in that has an awful lot of uncertainty, I would still say that our local bankers are doing well and we're collecting deposits and making loans and supporting our communities. Can one assume then that if the banks are doing well, your clients are doing well?

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Well, I think that's true, but increasingly clients are talking to me about concerns of sustained high gas and grocery prices.

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Chapter 7: What challenges do banks face in the current economic climate?

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And the thing we've also noticed, Kai, is that commercial borrowers who have approved loans are kind of sitting on their – their hands as opposed to come into the closing table and using that hand to sign on docs. I wouldn't call it a big trend, but definitely a trend the last couple of weeks. Again, that signals to me uncertainty.

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Yeah, keep going with that because it does seem to me that in the last couple of weeks, and we extrapolate that to eight weeks or so, and uncertainty has magnified. Other than uncertainty, what do you make of it? Well, I don't think it's overt panic by any means. Please, not by any means. But I do think it's that kind of concern that says things are changing so fast.

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Should I just put this off for another week and see what happens? Right, right. And part of that's hope too, right? Hope that a week from now things will change. Yeah. Yeah.

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Chapter 8: How is the insurance industry adapting to geopolitical tensions?

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No, I like the hope bit. That's good. Let me ask you to step out of your local community banking mindset and use your decades of experience in this industry at large. I want to ask you a couple of sort of very big picture things. Okay. Private credit and the challenges that we're seeing in that space. You worried about that? I certainly have it on my list of things. that merits watching.

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It's not keeping me up at night. It's very opaque, Kai. It's really hard to understand what the ramifications could be. So it's on my list of things. I probably read something about it, if not every day, every other day, and try and learn more. Yeah, you and me both.

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Speaking of learning more about something and also something being opaque, talk to me about what you're thinking about crypto and stable coins and that whole new regime of money that seems to be coming. Well, let me talk about stable coins because that's on the mind of every community banker, if you'll indulge me for a minute.

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I think lots of us see business use cases for stablecoin and an accelerated payment system. What's got us all anxious is that basically our business is not super complicated. We gather deposits and we lend them out. But if I can get some kind of reward that's like getting the rate on my money market account, I might be incented to park those former bank deposits in stablecoin.

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And if we don't have deposits, we're not going to make any loans. So I think it's a little bit of a complicated issue, but I think we can solve it if we continue working together. Stablecoin, I should have said, a form of crypto that's tied to the dollar, supposed to be stable, unlike most of the rest of crypto. So that's what Laura's worried about. Yes, exactly. I look back in our files.

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Looks like it's about a year since we talked to you last. If that schedule holds, it's not that we've been ignoring you, but there's been a lot of news. If that schedule holds, we're going to talk to you in March or April of 2027. What's the next year looking like for you and for your slice of this economy?

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Well, again, if you'd asked me that question in February compared to April, I would have had a much different answer. You know, the year got off to a nice start, but with the conditions we're seeing and the hesitation on the parts of businesses and consumers, I don't think it'll be a bumpy year, but there won't be as much growth as we anticipated.

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Then again, this too may pass and I might be saying something different. You're the expert. You're the expert. We're going to go with what you say. Laurie Stewart, she's the CEO, also the president of Sound Community Bank up in Seattle. Laurie, thanks a lot. Always good to talk to you. Thanks, Guy.

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There are, depending on the sources you use, something like 2,000 ships and as many as 20,000 civilian mariners on those ships stuck in the Persian Gulf. They need, in no particular order if they are going to keep being stuck, food, fuel, and water. If they're eventually going to get through the Strait of Hormuz, they are going to need it to open, yes, first of all.

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