Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Has it, though, really?
Chapter 2: What did the Supreme Court decide about Trump's tariffs?
From American public media, this is Marketplace. In Los Angeles, I'm Kyle Risdahl. It is Friday today, the 20th of February. Good as always to have you along, everybody. Six to three was the tally in the Supreme Court of the United States today, as you have no doubt heard, striking down President Trump's tariff palooza of April last.
The International Emergency Economic Powers Act was the statute in question, but it is important to understand here that that tariff-free we are not, which is among the things I'm going to talk about with Martha Gimbel right now. She's the executive director of the Budget Lab at Yale. Martha, it's good to have you back on the program.
Thank you for having me.
All right. So let us test my hypothesis or the president's hypothesis, I suppose. Has certainty been restored?
I certainly feel less certain about tariffs than I felt this morning. Just to give you an idea of what my team who looks at this has been up to today, going into this morning, tariffs were almost 17%. Once the Supreme Court ruled, they went down to 9%. That was at 10 a.m. And then the president gave his press conference today. Yeah, exactly.
And then the president gave a press conference where he said that he was imposing 10% tariffs under a different legal authority, but that would be temporary, but then they would replace it with other things that were to come. And then that should take it back up to around 15%.
So there's been a lot of Sturm und Drang today, but it looks like we're sort of back where we are, but we're still figuring it out.
So let's recap briefly, right? IEPA tariffs are gone, but there are, and this is the nomenclature, and I apologize to listeners, but there are Section 232 tariffs, 301 tariffs, now 122 tariffs from various trade adjustment acts of years gone by. Now what happens? Let's say we stay at 15%. Macroeconomically, what do you suppose happens?
So, you know, we would expect the impacts to be similar to what we've been talking about since we started with this whole Mishigas, right? That you're going to see upward pressure on prices, you know, that it's going to be about $1,600 for an average household. You're going to see slower economic growth, a slight rise in the unemployment rate.
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Chapter 3: How have businesses adapted to avoid tariffs on Chinese goods?
She's a customs brokerage manager at Logistics Plus. She's in Erie, Pennsylvania.
So my first thought was, uh-oh, what are we going to do now? And how are we going to implement this? And when will any kind of instructions be coming for how we implement this and the like so that our importers can get their refunds? We're kind of in a holding pattern until we know how this is going to take place, if it's going to take place, when it's going to take place.
I think I need to let it settle a little bit and to see, you know, what's going to be involved, where things are going. I mean, I'm happy. I'm definitely happy for our customers. Don't get me wrong. Absolutely happy for our customers. I've watched a lot of customers struggle to not only understand, to get together the information and to pay the duties. Definitely happy for them. Just...
a little bit cautious about how things are going to go and making any plans until we have the details necessary to do so.
Wall Street today. I don't want to say traders didn't really care about the tariff ruling, but they kind of didn't. We'll have the details when we do the numbers. Global trade is a complicated beast indeed, one that the president, as we are all only too well aware, takes a special interest in.
And on that topic, we learned yesterday the trade deficit barely budged despite President Trump's now mostly ruled illegal tariffs. Remember, his theory was and is that higher import taxes would get companies to make things here and get consumers to buy those things that were made here. What the tariffs have done, in point of fact, is mostly wean American consumers off Chinese goods.
Imports from that country are down about 30 percent. Or are they? Marketplace's Kristen Schwab explains transshipping.
In the most basic sense, transshipping is like commercial air travel, says Pavan Joshi, chief strategy officer at the supply chain platform E2Open.
If we have a direct flight, we'll take that. But if we don't have a direct flight...
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Chapter 4: What is transshipping and how does it work?
Trade law would have to define what that means for every product, from bikes to furniture to construction equipment. And experts say as long as the rules are murky, and as long as we have different import taxes for different countries, transshipping is a part of the supply chain. I'm Kristen Schwab for Marketplace.
There's a whole bunch of tariffs that were not struck down this morning, as Martha and I were talking about, including some from the first Trump administration. And there are more coming if the president is to be taken at his word. So we called April Hemmes earlier. She's the corn and soybean farmer that we know out in Iowa. April, April, April, April, April, April, April.
You know, Kai, this is what I want someday.
What's that?
I want to just sit back and open a beer and just have a chat with you with nothing going on in the world.
But that would be so boring. All right. So look, on the theory that you got this news before you opened a beer, what were your first thoughts?
Number one, it didn't surprise me. I thought he was overstepping anyway. Number two was what's this going to do to my grain markets now? And they're not reacting. It's it's almost a shrug. So that was my first reaction. You know, now what?
Yeah. Well, we should point out here that there are a bunch of other tariffs. It's still in effect. The president talked about that this morning. So net net for you is today kind of a wash. Right.
Yeah, I mean, and I talked to some other, of course, this went through my farming texts.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the tariff ruling for businesses and consumers?
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