Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast
Ep 601 - Gen Z White Boy (feat. Devan Costa & Conner McNutt)
04 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: What secret topics are discussed at the beginning of the episode?
Hey, we're here.
What the hell is going on? Connor McNutt, Devin Costa. We just had some secret talk that we, you know. Some secret talk.
Top secret talk.
Well, it's gonna look bad now because then the thing we're talking about, okay, we didn't have that kind of secret talk because we're about to talk about the BAFTAs. Right. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't, look, I can assure you it was not that, that was not that secret talk, but. No.
No.
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Chapter 2: What are the hosts' thoughts on the BAFTAs and the Tourette's guy?
The guy with Tourette's, yeah. I mean, I came in weird because we technically did have personal talk.
We also started three times in a row right now, which makes things awkward.
100%. Everything's on the up and up. You're going to be assured of that. You're going to be assured of that. Guys, thanks for coming. Of course, we know we're a pretty big get.
Anything to help. You're lucky we're here.
I'll take it. I am genuinely lucky you're here. Thank you. I'm fucking proud you guys are here. Yeah, man. God dang. So with all the formalities out of the way, we're talking Baptist.
We're talking Baptist. It was a crazy situation because I thought Sinners was overrated, but I think that guy went too far. And then I had to check out the Tourette's guy's movie. Have you seen it? 12 Years a Slave?
No.
That's the Tourette's movie. It's a crazy fucking movie. It's called I Swear.
What is it? I Swear. I Swear. Was he the director, writer?
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Chapter 3: How do the guests feel about the portrayal of race in film and media?
He's actually kind of famous in England. Okay. John Davidson.
He's a white boy.
He's a white boy, yeah. He's a crazy white boy. He's a very crazy white boy. He's never said it to Idris Elba, which is interesting.
I don't know, dude. Michael B. Jordan is jacked.
Yeah.
You should say it to anybody, whether they're weak or strong.
You said it to Delroy Lindo, too, who is like an older black dude and probably really heard it directed at him at times.
Okay, so this has been kind of the... Well, first of all, I'm curious. Was his movie being nominated or he was just an actor? Yes. Yeah, the actor that played him won.
The guy who plays him won.
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Chapter 4: What insights are shared about the impact of social media on Gen Z?
Good for them, dude. I just thought it was. That's so funny.
That's embarrassing. So, okay. And this is the question now where it's like, because I've read a lot of the comments on it. You do have a lot of black ladies and even black guys being like, That shit was in him. He knows what he said. He knows what he did. Well, there was two things. It is in him. They should have edited it. Because apparently they did edit out Epstein stuff.
But they didn't edit out the N-word.
They also edited out Free Palestine.
Sorry, that's what it was.
And he was calling the host of the show like a homo the entire time. And they edited that out too. What? He didn't say homo. Yeah, obviously.
He's got the disease. You gotta do it. I also have Tourette's when I see Alan. It makes you feel better. Also, if his Tourette's made him go... Homo! People are like, you know what you're saying. That's in you.
Yeah, it's funny, like the affliction is like so harsh. What if he had like Tourette's that was like sing-songy, you know? True. You're gay.
That could be fun. Maybe that's potential therapy. Broadway Tourette's. That could be a potential therapy of getting him to kind of like sing it out. But that's, yeah, I mean, I personally don't think the man, that was like some sort of, you know, showing of like innate evil. And it's also like, the question is, is like,
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Chapter 5: How do the hosts discuss the normalization of certain behaviors in society?
Explaining it, because in the movie, there's an entire scene where the lady that takes him in is like, you don't need to keep apologizing for something you can't help. A black lady?
Yeah, yeah. Whoopi Goldberg played his mom in the movie.
It was Monique in the movie, actually.
In the movie. And the guy, there was an actor who played him. Yes. Who probably had the time of his fucking life.
Imagine getting that role. Just saying it all over. Hey, man, you're going to get paid like $100,000. You guys see the N-word a bunch. You're like, oh, no.
Yeah, you got to yell it out. Oh, fuck. That's terrible. In the movie, he doesn't yell the N-word in the movie.
No. No, probably not. But now, okay, here's another thing, Matt. There's a scene in the movie where he's like painting his new flat, like his apartment with his friend. And it's like green paint, but it looks dark green. And he's like puts it on his face as a tick. And then he like puts it on his friend's face and they start doing it. And that clip has surfaced on Twitter.
And black people are like, so there's a blackface scene in this movie, too. but it's, oh, it's a dark green. It's like a dark green and it has nothing to do with race. He's just being like wacky and painting his friend's face. And they're like, oh, you know, but now that's like an evil, like this is a thought out thing. And the movie is this like secret racist.
There is like a weird like cognitive dissonance with like, I don't know, black people on Twitter where it's like they would like go to like a kid's birthday party and a guy that gets painted like a giraffe. For sure. You're doing blackface.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of cancel culture discussed in the episode?
Maybe there were a couple guys where they were like, well, you were saying he was yelling gay stuff, too, the whole time.
Yeah, the host, Alan Cummings, kept saying, just so everyone knows, there's a guy here that can't stop saying it.
By the way, imagine being gay and your last name is Cummings. That's so funny, dude. That's incredible.
And that's driving the Tourette's guy crazy. He's a fucking brilliant man.
He's my favorite.
No, but it's also just created a war because he's like a very, like people really, he's an earnest figure in England. People really, really love him.
And they like that he said, fuck the queen or call the queen at once.
Well, they forgive it. They forgive it and the queen forgave it.
She has bigger fish to fry right now. One of her sons is running wild. She's also dead, Matt. I don't know what he did. Queen is dead. Who the fuck's running England right now? I wonder if they're having guys scream out in the awards. The Tourette's people are running. Some damn pedophile. I mean. Awards show, they're yelling out insults. They're just, I don't know. That guy fucking knew it.
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Chapter 7: How do the guests reflect on their past jobs and experiences?
Yeah, okay, that guy. But I think what happened is it fell too neatly with... Who was the other one? Fart Lady?
Yeah, Fart N-Word. She was like, yeah, hitting a deal.
I think that was like a stun grenade for black people. They were kind of like, wait, what the fuck was that?
Yeah, they're like, stop being so silly about it. We don't know how to get angry about this.
Yeah, it was just kind of like... Because that was clearly... you know, slip up. Although my brother was like, there's no, my brother is completely against HGTV ladies. He's like, there's no way that was a slip up. Oh, no, dude.
I think that's the thing she says all the time. Yes, definitely. She stubs her toe. It's just fart N-word. Like it's, that's just in her repertoire.
But she was saying fart knocker is what she usually says. And it just, it just, she must've hit her toe. Hey, we've all been there. I mix it up.
You know, I confuse knocker and the N-word all the time.
Michael, that lady's got great N-words. Also, yeah. Here's the thing is like, how bad did you hit your toe? Broken toe?
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Chapter 8: What conclusions do the hosts draw about personal growth and societal expectations?
I'm going to get to the next level.
Yeah, and they don't care if they die young. I mean, they're all fucking doing the micro fracturing on their faces, doing meth and shit.
Well, Austin is also like the capital of the most boring 24-year-old of all time. All those like, get ready with me. Here's my day as a 24-year-old living in Austin. And I'm like, dude, kill yourself. Okay.
This is the worst life I've ever seen. I've talked to my younger cousin about that. And he was like... I was like, is this what you and your friends do? And he was like, no. None of us. He's like, none of us do that.
It is like a mindfuck. Because I'm trying to figure out what Gen Z does or who they are. Because all the biggest people are streaming all the time.
Yeah.
But I don't think that's a fair reflection of who they are. You know what I mean?
I'm telling you. I think they're completely...
checked out of like online stuff yeah like i don't i don't think that i was just talking about like the rage bait of how like it's like if you get mad about something online i think they view you as like a boomer fucking yes yes or like almost if you get mad at all it's kind of embarrassing yep what was the sentiment we just said if you don't say the n word you're gay exactly
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