Ep 627 - No-Nog (feat. Joe Alto)
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
The Wild Wild West. We fired up? Fired up. Joe Alto, how you doing, brother?
Who is Joe Alto and why is he on the show discussing porn recovery?
What's up, man? Welcome to the fucking cast, dude. Joe Alto. Dude, we met online. So we met, and I'll just say it. You messaged me, and we linked up based on not looking at porn.
Yeah. By the way, I have a raw question. Yeah. How crazy did you think I was when I sent you those emails?
Not that crazy, to be fair. I didn't think you were that crazy. It's like... Crazy messages, you just know them when you see them. You know what I mean? Like people, when crazy internet people will hit you with, it's usually kind of scattered. I saw that and I was like, oh shit, it's kind of sick. Okay. So I wasn't, I didn't know. I get crazy vibes. And usually there's like, because you don't see every message, but they'll usually be like 19 messages before those ones. Like some in all caps and you go, ah, fuck. Yeah. Crazy guy. Yeah. But no, I just saw it and I was like, damn, that's kind of sick. Okay. So, and again, just to like, you know, I'm sure you've known from listening, but it's like, for me, I, I have mixed views on the whole, well, let's say like the, the approach, the online approach or, you know, people take into real life of like,
You're either a porn consumer or you're a non-porn consumer. Porn consumer is very simple. Non-porn consumer is kind of complex because it's like there's like complete nofap over here, which I'm like that's just impossible. Sure. You can try it if you want. I find it to be utterly impossible for myself. And then there's like – No porn at all. Then there's no masturbation. There's like hard mode, no fap, soft mode, you know, all that stuff. I'm sure you're aware of all that stuff. So I always, for me, I always try to not take a super dogmatic approach, if that makes sense, where it's like if you fucking do it, you're done, you're a piece of shit. But recognizing that, I'm like, I really want to get this out of my life.
And I have, thank God.
For now.
But the, yeah, please, please. But I know I've done a couple, you know, like hotel weekend trips by myself are the absolute ultimate test. So I've passed a couple of those. But yeah. So tell me about, so you have an app, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You work for an app?
Yeah, I work for an app. It's called Freelane.
What is it called again?
Relay. Relay, gotcha. Relay Health. Yeah, and it's a porn addiction recovery app, right? So, yeah, the guys started it probably, I think it's been five years now we've been up and running. How many people have used it? How many people have used it? I know right now we have a, there's about 4,000 in the app right now. Nice. More than that have used it, you know, in the history of the app, but we have a pretty good user base, and it's mostly guys.
Yeah. And I'll say this, too, because you do whenever every time around the the let's say masturbation porn discussion, whenever you're like anti or like, hey, maybe not the best move. You do get these guys. I'm sure you've dealt with them who are like, oh, yeah, dude, porn fucking rules. You guys are being babies. I just want to stage for the record. Totally fair you can do that if you want, but that is the male equivalent to like when girls are like my vibrator It's kind of yeah, it's kind of fucking lame be like yeah, like you know my vibrator. It's like okay like enough of that Yeah, no absolutely, and it's come on. We don't want to hear I'm gonna bring back my dad used to always be like if you mentioned porn, but what are you fucking weirdo same here?
Genuine threat
No, to this day, my dad is a – I've asked him bluntly. I go, Dad, have you ever – what was like your history with porn? He's like, never done it. I'm a man. I swear to God, my dad's been like never jacked off. I've never looked at porn. And it's fucking gross because he's like, I got your mom. Yeah. Oh, God. Okay. Ew. That's the worst. Yeah, no, but that's like the honest to God what he's told me.
Also, though, back then there was a barrier. If you wanted porn back then, I don't know how you, my dad's like in his 70s.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:05
2
Who is Joe Alto and why is he on the show discussing porn recovery?
0:05–5:31
3
What is Relay and how many people use the porn addiction recovery app?
5:31–16:00
4
How does childhood exposure to porn create long-term pain associations?
16:00–43:58
5
Why do the hosts say porn can damage marriages and household dynamics?
43:58–1:04:13