Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Epstein Prison Inmate Explains How The Government “Deletes” Powerful People
Thu, 13 Mar 2025
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Chapter 1: What happened to Jeffrey Epstein in prison?
Epstein, was he in the same prison that you were in?
Yes. It's the government. They're gangsters. If you go too far, you will magically die. I call the Clintons the sixth family. They should have been part of the mafia.
Chapter 2: Why do powerful people seem to die mysteriously?
Did you see Elon Musk on Joe Rogan? Doja's going in. When Rogan asked him about it, well, do you know where that money's going? And then he went, yes. And he's like, well, can you tell us? He's like... The fact that he was doing the whole, I can't tell you. Like, I can't say, like. No, he's scared. But think about it. You're probably, because you're rich. You don't want to go too far.
You're filthy rich. You're filthy rich. And being wealthy in the United States makes you powerful. But obviously, he feels he's not safe. Like, he knows something that so makes him unsafe.
I'll give you something real fast, and we'll give an example. There's a guy, if you look him up, he created cars that run on water. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. I've heard this.
He created cars that ran on water. Right. And they offered him the oil tycoons. Millions. Stop. He refused. He went to a meeting. He drank water. He goes, they poisoned me. He dropped dead right there. If you go too far and you really go against their money, like Elon Musk is saying, the money, you will magically die.
If you believe, if you believe in your heart that Jeffrey Epstein in that cell, you're crazy. You know, in those cells, it's impossible.
I mean, look, yeah, I've been in those cells. I think guards do. Look, I admit it's extremely suspicious, but the cameras, cameras do that. I hear you. I hear you. But cameras do often not work. I can't imagine. Here's my biggest problem. My biggest problem is not the camera's not working. It's not the guy's falling asleep.
Here's my biggest problem with the whole situation is that how do you get someone – like it depends on how you think he died. How do you get somebody else into the entire prison, into that wing, into that cell to kill him with other inmates? You think they can't do it? There's not other inmates. Well, that's what I'm saying. You're in a private area. But he had another cellie in there.
I think having that cellie kill him is more reasonable.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of turning down a $1.6 million offer?
She was writing a book on Hillary and Bill. And then all of a sudden she magically gets shot and thrown in the water. I mean, it's just like, why would somebody shoot this lady that worked for the white house? Yeah. Shoot her and throw her in the water. It's just like some of these scenarios just sound just so insane that you're just like – and it's never talked about.
Yeah, I was just thinking about John McAfee. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's another – that's a weird one. They're all weird. John McAfee, he was – and he came out saying, look, if I end up unaliving myself, he's like, it's not because I did it. He's like – because he was about to be – do you remember that? He was about to be – no, he's indicted. He was about to be –
He was about to be brought back to the United States, and he was saying, they know if I get brought back there, what I'm going to say, and I'm going to expose all this, all that. And then within the next day, he was dead.
The water guy does it for me. The guy that created the car on water shows you everything. You don't do what they want. They fucking poisoned him at a meeting in broad daylight with the people sitting at the table, killed him right at the table. You could look it up. It's a real story. He literally wouldn't take the money from the billionaire tycoons and they fucking killed him, bro.
It's that simple. You mess with money, that's it. You're gone. That's it. It's just what it is. You know? Think about CIA agents signing their life over to them because they don't exist. When you go over to countries and you get captured, they don't claim you. Right. Yeah, yeah.
You know, it's all fucked up. They don't care. What do they call it? The knock list?
They don't care about you. It's crazy. This world we live in is really nuts. And they talk about, oh, inhumane. They're inhumane. That's the fucked up part. A human life to them is a cockroach. You know what I mean? So it's really... The world is really fucking weird, man, to me. I believe a lot of conspiracy theories are real. Aliens are real. This is all real.
I think that the more time goes on, the more being exposed, for sure.
Not all of them are real, but I do believe a lot of them are real.
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Chapter 4: How do conspiracies about the government gain traction?
It shows the guy shot him in the front seat.
I would... Well, I don't know. I haven't seen that one. But I'm dying to see what the files show. I don't think it was one shooter. I think it was multiple.
What about the 9-11 files? They're talking about that's worse than anything. They're saying the 9-11 files is actually worse than, they're saying the 9-11 files is going to have America furious. How about that? Are they saying they're going to release this? Are they going to release them? I don't even know if they can. It'll probably cause a fucking riot.
Because they're saying that the 9-11 files is worse than everything they have.
There was a clip on the inauguration day where they're saying, we're going to release these Epstein files, JFK files. And they never said 9-11 files. And there's like a video of Bush just raising his eyebrows.
I guess it's going to cause like an uproar. They're saying that the FBI director said that the 9-11 files is the worst thing of them all. that the JFK thing is not what you think. He was saying that, but the 9-11 is bad.
Do you think anything significant is going to come of the Epstein or JFK? Because the Epstein supposedly was just supposed to be released Friday.
And at least bullshit. It's like bullshit. I don't think they can. I think the names on it are so bad. I don't know. It goes. I mean, when you start talking about the names that might be on it, you're going to bring down the system. I don't know if they could do it. I don't know how ruthless Donald Trump could get. I mean, to a point where, you know, they might have to take some people out.
This is getting like. You know, they're exposing too many secrets. I don't know. I don't know how this goes. You know, I'm not one of them, but I could tell you what our life you're going.
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Chapter 5: What are the connections between powerful figures and organized crime?
It's crazy.
45.
45.
Okay.
45 people committed... If it was 10, it's probably still pretty odd.
It's just insane. I mean, you know, to me, those are my... I hate them the most, that family. I hate them. Despise them, everything about them. But... They're gangsters. That's what they are. They're the sixth family. I call the Clintons the sixth family. They should have been part of the mafia. And, you know, seriously. And I always said this.
I always wanted to know one brain I wish I could have for a day is George Bush Sr. He knows every secret ever in America. Do you know he knows every secret? He was the head of CIA for 30 years. He had the highest clearance in the world. I mean, for the country. He knows. He probably hung out with a fucking alien. How about that? All right? In the ship. Okay? I would love to know what he knows.
So there used to be like a thing where people would go around and they'd say, if you could spend a day talking to one person, who would it be? I used to say George Bush. Well, I mean, if I could— Only because of the CIA.
I would say if he tells me everything.
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Chapter 6: What role do inmates play in prison politics?
Yeah, yeah. Great, then make one of my buddies have a gay interest, but not me.
I told him, read my book. It's a New York Times bestseller. I sold over 20,000 copies. You know how hard it is for a book to sell? Yes, I do. That's so hard. For me to sell that, for me to sell that many, and then plus thousands of autographed copies I sell for my Instagram. I've sold tons of books. That's very hard. So you're not going to sit here and tell me that the story isn't good.
Every single producer that reads this script loves it. I could say his name now. It don't matter because we're not dealing. I had Edward Bernardo reach out to me. He's one of the biggest producers in the country. He's working on a Marvel film right now. He reached out to me and read my book and watched my podcast. I love this stuff. He goes, but I'm working on Marvel. Can you wait? I says, no.
He's working on a fucking Marvel film right now. All right. That's who wanted my thing. So I'm like, why would I sell out? And do this when I have the kind of people that are coming at me. He created Criminal Minds. So this guy wanted my shit. He loved it. But he says, I'm on Marvel. That's a billion dollar project. So it's like, when I'm ready for you, I want your project. I want to do it.
I'm like, I can't wait. I've been waiting three years. Like I've been working on COVID, back me up, everything. Now it's time. So now we have Douglas getting us in front of all these good people that now my partner could just, you know, present it and, you know, get this thing rolling. because I don't want to wait no more. That's just it.
Um, all right. I hear you. Yeah. Listen, I was on a, I was on a zoom call. So I don't think I've probably gotten as close as you've gotten. Right. Because I've been gotten to the deal part, you know, where it's actually where they're actually offering you money. How much is the budget? How much is this? You know, you get 3% of this, 2% of that. I haven't got to that point.
What I've gotten to is the point where I've flown out to LA. I've gone to the production companies, had the meetings. I've only had one Well, I've had two meetings in person where we sat down at the table with them. One, we were sitting down, they were on a Zoom. And then I've had countless ones where it's basically a remote conversation where everybody's there, they're talking, you're talking.
But you're right, at a lot of times, and we talked about this a couple of years ago when you did the podcast, and you were like, oh, it's a done deal, it's a done deal. And I was sitting there thinking- Bro, you know how many times I've heard it? It's a done deal.
Well, we got caught up with the Warner Brothers guy. And he works for Warner Brothers. And that's why we didn't care about nobody else. Because Warner Brothers. Because when he reached out to you, we're like, oh, we're golden. Yes, son. But he's like, I'm working on Marvel. So that's the problem. When we're ready for you, I want you. You know, he watched all my pot.
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Chapter 7: How does the media shape narratives around crime?
That kind of makes me think of Michael Franzese. Everybody's like, Michael Franzese did this and this and this, but really somebody came to him with the scam and said, this is what we're doing.
Well, the Five Families was in on that.
It wasn't just him. Do you want in on this? He said yes. He just kind of McConnellized it, turned it into this massive, made it larger.
Mike's a very, very smart guy. It's always Sammy. Sammy was a powerhouse moneymaker as well. Sammy Gravano in the 80s had millions of dollars. Sammy Gravano had $5 million in the 80s. That's like 50 million now.
More. You know what I'm saying? So when Sammy and the Bull got out, right? So he gets out. They move him. Witness protection, move him to Arizona. Why start up again?
I don't even know. I don't know.
I wonder if anybody's ever asked him. I don't know.
Why would you? I think he claims that it really wasn't what they made it. They made it big because it was his name, but it really wasn't a big ring. Right. You know what I mean? I think it was more or less the son that was getting in trouble, and he just got caught up in it. I don't think he was really the ringleader like they were saying.
You know who Sean Atwood is? Oh, the boxer? No, no. Sean Atwood. He's in the UK. He has a true crime channel. I think so. Maybe. Bald Whitehead. bald white guy, English. Did I do a show with him? I might have. You might have. I don't know. Anyway, he's, you know, he's always said that he was a part of, that his competition in X. in Arizona was Sammy. Could be.
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Chapter 8: What are the realities of cartel operations and negotiations?
No, he's got to be in his 80s. I don't know.
Well, no, his son Henry was like my age, a little older. So, yeah, he's probably 70, maybe 70. Yeah.
77. 77. So he's 77. So an article came out that said he was currently in plea negotiations with the U.S. attorney in New York. And I had heard, although I'm going to tell you I did not see the article, I had heard from someone that said as like a good faith gesture, he had said, and there may be an article about it, I just didn't see it, but He had told the U.S.
attorney, because they're in plea negotiations right now, that Zimbada's lawyer, through his lawyer, had told the U.S. attorney that That not the current president, the female president of Mexico, but the past two presidents of Mexico were on his payroll. Right. Now, I think everybody probably knew that anyway. I don't think that's huge information.
Most corrupt country in the world.
Right. But the fact that he said, hey, can he prove that? Maybe. I don't know. These guys are fucking getting killed so fast all the time.
America will lock them up if they do because I was with the attorney general in Mexico. They locked him up.
Right.
He was right under the people you're talking about.
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