Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Inside NYC’s Most Disturbing Crimes | Medical Examiner Confessions
Thu, 24 Apr 2025
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Chapter 1: What are the experiences of a death investigator?
Yeah.
And while I'm telling him like, well, this is what he told me and I'm explaining it. I'm telling him I wrote it in the story and you got to read. There was two parts of the story. He'd only read one. He didn't even know there was a second one. So he was it was at this point it was a cold case. They had opened back up. So I said, you got to read the second part.
And I told him where it was on my website. And so we're talking. And and I said, but that doesn't mean that he did it. This is what the guy thought. This is what he was told. I don't know. And he goes, oh, no, no, he did it. And I went, what? He said, no, no, he's already admitted it. He admitted it. He was trying to get a reduction by admitting it to us and the person he had hired to kill him.
He was trying to roll over on the actual murderer. He had ordered it. And he had also ordered my subject was supposed to be murdered by the same person, but he wasn't able to do it. He had gotten arrested and ended up going to prison. So we're having this discussion and so I was like, so I was right? Like this guy said, and I was like, yeah.
And I had put it together because I already knew the person had gone to prison, but he had been out during this time when my subject had almost been killed. It's a whole thing. Anyway, So that's one. And the second one is a guy I was locked up with where he had discovered a murder and was trying to get a sentence reduction by saying, look, I'll give you all the information.
I even have the phone number of the phone he used to call the person and order the hit while he was incarcerated. And these are all recordings. But when you're incarcerated, you can buy minutes from other inmates because you only have so many minutes a month. But let's say I don't call anybody. I might sell my minutes to somebody else. You're not supposed to, but they do.
So he'd use another inmate's phone to call and order a murder. And my buddy in prison knew the phone number. And so he was negotiating with them. And I wrote this whole story and everything. And so at one point, when I got out, I actually called the homicide detective to talk to him. And the funniest thing happened was when I called to say, hey, I need to speak with this detective.
The guy said the guy answering the phone was a little bit, you know, terse initially. And then he said, well, I'll have him call you. Give me your name and I'll have him call you. And I said, my name's Matthew Cox. And he goes, the con man. And I went, what? I go, are you Joe? Are you? And he goes, man, I just watched your podcast the other day. The one you did with concrete.
Listen, my wife and I were laughing so hard. I knew I recognized your voice and I was going. This is insane. Like this was, it was hilarious. So he goes, oh, I'm going to call him at home. I'll call the detective right now. Is this one of your stories? And I go, it is. And he said, I'm going to call him at home right now. I'll have the detective call you.
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Chapter 2: How did 9/11 impact the role of medical examiners?
And you serve it.
Right.
You know, that's why we have to depend on science more and more. The human eyewitness testimony is hugely flawed. People lie, people cheat, people tell all kinds of stories to get themselves in or out of trouble. But science speaks for itself. DNA, video, you know, CCTV catches you in the act. You know, there's like video cameras everywhere, literally everywhere.
Cell phone technology. I wasn't even there. I was buying gas five miles away.
Yeah, yeah. So, you know, we've got to depend on science. Science, too, is flawed. I mean, there was a DNA technique used by the most advanced labs in the world, in New York City and in London, and that was a, they call it, low-copy. high sensitivity DNA. And it found every little scrap of DNA on, let's say, the handle of a gun.
So they would have mixtures of maybe four different people on that gun. And then they used a statistical program to determine the likelihood of little tiny piece of DNA falling on versus the perpetrator. And it was flawed science. I mean, they stopped using it, of course, but for a while there, it became...
Go-to?
Yeah, it was a go-to thing. Everybody thought, oh, this is the miracle technique, this high-sensitivity, low-copy DNA. And it wasn't. And it was also a person in the medical examiner's office in the DNA lab who was doing a thing called dry labbing. That's when you take the specimen and you open it up and you look at it, but you don't really test it. You just pass it off because it's too much work.
Right. And saying, nope, no evidence here. So rapists were getting away with rape and doing it again because this one woman couldn't be bothered to test all the rape kits. It was too much work.
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Chapter 3: What are the challenges of investigating overdose deaths?
I don't know.
When you have perfectly good alligators.
Oh, I... Seriously. I was like... I mean, seriously. Dig a hole. Bury the body. Why? Or burn it. Or do some... Get rid of... Like, don't throw it in a dumpster thing.
You know, one of them was... Don't make yourself sweat. Give it to the alligators. Let them do it.
Well, there's no... He was in L.A.
Well, are there alligators in L.A.? No.
No? Okay. No.
But anyway, he... But, like, this is prime spot right here.
But he wasn't... He ran meth labs.
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