Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
Real Life Scarface Survives Attacks & Make Millions...
Fri, 08 Nov 2024
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Chapter 1: What defining moment changed Ian's life?
I think we all have incidents in our life that change us. When I was five years old, it was my birthday, and I was walking outside. I remember looking at my birthday cake and walked outside, and we had a pit bull out back. His name was Tarsus. He was on the chain for the first time in probably the summer. Hot summer day out. It's hot as hell in Arizona, probably 120 degrees.
And I walked out back, and... He had his face in his bowl and just turned around and boom, hit me like a ton of bricks. And so I don't know if you can see this scar right here. Ended up hitting me and biting me pretty good. Ended up getting rushed to the hospital and 253 stitches. Completely ripped my face apart. I think these moments change our life significantly.
I actually don't have a picture of myself anymore. looking back without this scar. You know, it's basically my memory of myself, you know what I mean? And I'm actually happy because, you know, as you'll hear in the story going through life, you know, we all become who we are by, I think, certain defining moments. And that was a little one that was going to set the course for me.
Growing up with a big-ass scar on your face and growing up not as big as the other kids, was something that always pushed me to want to try a little harder. You know what I mean? So in our little town, you know, as in many towns across the United States, people bring in many different things. And this time they brought in psychedelics. For me, it was red sunshine with some psychedelic.
And I tried it and it was an amazing experience. You know, you seem to go over everything that you already know. Your mind, you know, your mind is...
at a state that you seem to be going over everything that you already know you can't think about let's put this way you can't think about anything that you haven't already thought of so you're in your mind you'll probably be going back over for whatever reason things that you already know is you're doing them i get in the car i do this i say hello to my friend and you start to realize in a more present way that you're doing something and you may realize that you're doing something in a way because you're doing it in a more present way that um
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Chapter 2: How did Ian get introduced to psychedelics?
that maybe you're doing it in a way that is either incorrect for how you feel. You know, it's a contemplative substance, you know? And so I would say it presents the journey inward. I thought it was very interesting. And so probably for the next few years,
periods like a month and another month or weekends me and my friends would we would trip we would all get together and trip and i ended up meeting a guy by the name of maya that came to town and he then was supplying the entire town okay so i mean are you selling did you start selling it well that's yeah so that's kind of the window right there so i'm hanging out with with the guys i'm not really you know i'm not just involved having a good time just on the peripherals just a kid yeah just just a
And I meet Maya. Well, Maya is a serious dealer. Now, he's only... a year, year and a half older than me. But Maya's living on his own. Maya's from the Northwest, Washington, San Francisco area. And, you know, he's dealing significant amounts. I started picking up sheets from him because, again, at the time you could probably get a sheet for $200.
That's $2 a piece because you're getting 100 units at the time. So this is my introductory to business school. At the time. Started selling just single hits to people. There's little parties in the weekend. We got little bonfire parties and stuff like that. But I'm not the type of guy to break it up and to put it into little baggies or anything like that because I'm risk averse. Right.
You know, a lot of people like to take risks. Just like my father, incredibly risk averse. You think that people that do things that are, you know, risky, they either do it in a stupid way or they do it in a calculative way. I lean more towards the calculative way. If I can't get it done within the high 90th percentile, I'm not touching it.
If I don't have at least 89% in my head and I factor in all the factors, then I'm not even looking at it. And that would usually be in the high 90th percentile success rate where I feel like I could do something. Start breaking it down. But I don't do it like everybody else. I'll keep it in my book at school, but I'll break them up into little pieces and have them already ready.
And only have a certain amount on me. Exposure. Always wanted to just risk, you know, I mean, even as a kid, you know, risk averse, not trying to get into any trouble, you know?
So just to be clear, you're thinking I want to have an amount that says I'm a user and not a dealer, right?
Yeah, if I just have enough that I go to school with and I have enough to get through the day and I can get rid of it quickly and I've got it broken up into pieces that are ready to serve. It's a little piece of paper for anybody who has never seen it. It's not coming in liquid at the time and typically is not distributed that way.
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Chapter 3: What was Ian's first experience with dealing drugs?
And they'd be like, what do I do with it? You take it. You know what I mean? You take it right now. I could easily just get rid of it. So this is my little introductory. People are now tripping at school and basically getting people to experience it. Some people would freak out without a doubt. Some people couldn't handle it.
Some people didn't understand that it was changing their perspective or that they were seeing things in a different light. It doesn't make you see things. You don't start to manufacture visions. It just starts to... kind of twist your brain a little bit to where you're thinking in different ways.
So long story short, I like the fact that I can make a little bit of money with it, but we're also getting into, into swag at the time, Mexican brick that comes across the border. So for me, my first lesson was getting a pound and learning about breaking it down. Okay. So you get a pound, that's 64 quarters. You can sell those for 20 bucks a piece. And if you can break that down, you're at 1240.
So you take a $600 pound that you can get typically on front. Because, again, that's the way the system works. You know what I mean? Because there's so much of it. Right. People are looking typically to front it. So I remember getting my first pound from a guy by the name of Joel Chamberlain. And the only names that I'll mention today are people that have passed away.
Right.
Essentially. But Joel was the first person that I got a pound from. He was a friend of mine's older brother. Um, he was also in the scene doing his thing, but I didn't really deal with him, but he was a friend of my older brothers. And so he knew I was cool. So anyways, um, ended up getting my first pound from him and breaking it down.
And, um, I thought I was going to be, again, this is the first little step to, to be in, I guess, an entrepreneur. I thought I'm going to do it different. Everybody sells a seven gram. seven gram sack. That's, you know, there's 448 grams in a pound. So, you know, seven grams, 64. I say, I'm going to do an eight gram.
So I'm going to give just an extra gram to everybody, you know, a little marketing because everybody else sells the same one, but I want to do something a little bit different, you know? So I do that, but I don't realize that if I do that, I'm losing out essentially a percentage. So if you, if you break that down already, I'm maybe 20% down.
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Chapter 4: How did Ian navigate the risks of drug dealing?
So then I'm going to smoke some, me and my friends are going to roll up the big blunts, you know, and by the time I'm all done with it, even though I think I'm doing good marketing, I'm probably just going to make enough money to pay the guy back.
Right.
So ended up going through that for a little while. And despite the fact that I'm trying to come up and trying to do well, I'm not really doing anything, you know?
Right.
So, um, and I'm moving along and, um, getting into, this is where the, the rave scene starts to happen a little bit more. Now I'm, uh, in high school, uh, probably my junior year and we're going to rave parties. Psychedelics are a big thing. So we're all going to the rave parties. Everybody's doing psychedelics.
I'm not really, you know, I've sold some, I've sold some, I'm not, I'm not a dealer at this point, really. You know, I'm, I'm just, you know, doing my thing. End up getting into the scene a little bit and connecting with a friend by the name of RJ. He has a connect with a guy. that he works with and funds him to do certain projects.
RJ's out in the streets, and this guy is kind of behind the scenes. And the reason I mention him is because I'll end up working with this guy later on. So I end up hanging out with RJ. And RJ, we go to Tucson maybe sometimes on trips to pick up trash bags full of bricks. Interesting things about picking up weight. Counting money. The first time I'm ever learning to count lots of money.
So we're sitting there counting thousands and thousands of dollars in this car. And remember telling me, face it, face it. I'm like, what do you mean face it? You got to face the bills. You got to face the bills. Won't take it unless it's faced. I'm like, bank? But yeah, apparently, face the bills. You know what I mean? That's the first thing I learned in the industry is you face all your bills.
You know what I mean? I don't know what that means.
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Chapter 5: What lessons did Ian learn from dealing and cultivation?
There you go. And so Schooley is his guy. And I think he's referred to him as Skinner. I've never heard him referred to him as Schooley, but Schooley, we call him Schooley because he had Schoolhouse Productions, which was an event company that would throw these rave parties. So in walks Sean Atwood. bald head. People would call him English Sean. We used to refer to him as British Sean.
And I'll clarify again, because Brits don't like to be called English because they're British, not English, you know? So he walks in, lambskin jacket, bald head, and immediately him and Schooley go into the kitchen and
And he pops out 13 ounces of peach glass, which is the earliest of methamphetamine at the time, which is what everybody's probably—I'm not in that scene at all, but he whips it out and says, oh, I just got this 13 ounces. He just flew back from Los Angeles. He was just flying back from one of his connects that he used to have as main connects out there, I'm sure, for his other guys.
Not trying to put you on blast, Sean. I know you're— career is already done and you're on to bigger and better things. But I remember you recalling and saying how it's spelled like peaches and was stinking up the plane. And it did it. It literally, you could, the odor, you know? Right. So I'm sitting in this apartment, just waiting for the door to get kicked in.
Because this is the type of apartments, you're just waiting for somebody to kick in the door with a shotgun. Right. Because they know that you live there and they know that you have plenty of drugs on hand at any given time.
So you're not thinking the cops, you're thinking...
Oh, yeah. Not the cops at all. I'm sitting there thinking I want to get out of here because I know exactly. I mean, at any time. Do you know what I mean? And yeah, he ended up getting rolled later on in the bathroom of a club. I think.
Who did? Schooley. Schooley.
Yeah. He got his teeth knocked out over. But I think it was about five or six G's because I remember meeting up with him, his girlfriend and RJ. Well, me and RJ. But Schooley didn't want to. You know what I mean? Right. Like this. You know what I'm saying? With his girlfriend and their black Mercedes, that black Mercedes two-door. You know what I'm saying?
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Chapter 6: How did relationships affect Ian's drug operations?
Right. Or are you thinking he was a cop at this point? No, no, not at all.
You're still thinking that was bullshit? No, dude, no, bullshit. I could tell the dude— They're outside. You know what I mean? You know, you just, you can feel it.
You came in here by yourself.
You could feel it. You know what I mean? He had another dude standing with him.
Oh, did he?
Oh, no. It wasn't just him. No, there was two dudes. You know what I mean? Like, but I didn't, that dude had kind of like, he wasn't standing with him when we first came up.
Right.
But once he had his hand on me, that dude all of a sudden was there. You know what I mean? So I ran downstairs and I was out and got down to the bottom and I saw a guy that I knew. And this is actually hilarious because again, I wasn't a dealer at the time. I tried to sell like... And I'd done it at school, but I tried to sell it once at a rave party, and I wanted to go dance.
I got into breakdancing and, like, seriously, like, into the music and, you know, it was just more into the culture, right? So I saw this kid. His name is John or Johnny. I can't recall his name. He's wearing an Adidas hat, and I'm like, dude— I'm in some shit right now. I'm not the type of guy to be—like, just trying to explain to him, I'm not the guy.
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Chapter 7: What happens when Ian's grow operation is sabotaged?
Was he on, um, uh, Was he in witness protection at the time?
He was in the witness protection program. This is way before any of this came out. He's in the witness protection program. His sons are running a crew. I don't know exactly what the situation was with these dudes. Obviously, they were his son's crew. You know what I mean? Sean had speculated there were some biker dudes that may have been contracted out.
He said his name was Gordon because I asked the dude what his name was. He said Gordon. Who knows? Did those guys ever get arrested that you know of? I assume that their entire crew, I assume that all those guys rolled on each other and you know what I mean? So after a high school, after graduating high school, I say, well, you know, I want to grow kind, but what if I do, what's going to happen?
I might as well look up the laws and find out. So if I grow over 99 plants, it's federal and I'm looking at 20 plus years. If I grow under that and I have a certain amount of weight, then I'm looking at state laws. I'm looking at in a zero-tolerance state, Arizona in the 1990s, pre-medical. Two to five for your first offense if you get caught with over 10. You know what I mean?
I know it's nothing. It's child's play. Two to five, it's nothing. Matt did that standing on his head.
Yeah, it's not worth unpacking. I know, seriously. You know what I mean? You're still shitting McDonald's by the time you get out.
There you go. There you go. So I decided to find out what the limits were and really what I was getting myself into. Because you always want to look before you leap. Most people don't, but I'm the type of person, again, incredibly calculative. I'm going to come back to look before you leap. You know what I'm saying? So I go into this endeavor with a friend of mine.
At first, we were growing small plants and then we learned to grow trees. That's what I learned, essentially. If you take a plant through its full life cycle and a cutting, put it in a cutting chamber for about two weeks, you pull it out and veg it for two months, you can get a plant that's going to be about this tall. It's going to double its size
Based on the variety, it could triple it, you know, depending on indica or sativa. But in this case, we're growing an Afghani-based indica. We're going back to the Afghani we were talking about, these Afghan genetics. And the strain was called blueberry, and it was essentially the first –
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Chapter 8: What strategies did Ian use for safe transportation?
Yeah, that's why it's always whenever you see these guys with the duffel bags, you know, and they say, like, it's a million dollars, and it's a duffel bag this fucking big.
It's not. No, a million dollars. It stacks like this high.
Yeah.
Really, it's not that much at all.
I was going to say, we had six or seven.
It's 110 stacks.
Yeah, we had six or seven. 110 stacks will stack out. 100,000 and probably a shoebox. Yes. But it was all hundreds, so.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, but, uh, it's always, you ever see, you've never, you ever watch a movie and they have like two duffel bags.
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