Re-Air: What is Energy? And Can Energy Therapy Heal?| Phenomena Podcast
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What is the episode’s main focus and who are the guests?
Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.
And I'm Jonathan Cohen.
And welcome to our breakdown. Today, we've got a treat. We're going to share a full episode from our friends over at the Phenomena podcast.
I was actually recently a guest on this podcast where we discussed energy healing, breakthroughs in science that are actually trying to show how miraculous healing happens.
Some of the scientists that Jonathan will be discussing are Dr. Martin Picard. He has spent his career studying mitochondria, the cellular power sources in the body and how they connect to our inner experience and our consciousness. Also Dr. Richard Hammerschlag. He's the guy who helped define the modern science of the biofield. And there's also a conversation regarding Dr. Neal Theis. He's the one who helped identify the interstitium, a remarkable recent major discovery of the fluid-filled network that runs through our entire body and explains what previously was understood as a fascia system. Together, these three voices, and you'll hear Jonathan's reflections on them and a bunch of really, really interesting revelations.
This is a compelling, eye-opening, deeply human vision of the body and mind, not as a machine, but a dynamic, energetic ecosystem. And we are so honored and thrilled that Jonathan was able to guest on Phenomena. So learn more about this episode and Phenomena Healing by visiting phenomenahealing.com.
Check out more conversations like this on my personal Substack page Practical Spirituality and get more MBB content and join the MBB community over on Substack. I hope you enjoy this episode.
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How do Dr. Martin Picard, Dr. Richard Hammerschlag, and Dr. Neil Thies each define “energy” in the body?
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Picture this. At a conference in upstate New York in 2025, mitochondria expert Dr. Martin Picard of Columbia University is standing in front of an audience of fellow scientists giving a presentation. On the monitor beside him is a looping video of a single lit candle, its flame flickering against the darkness.
This is a fairly relevant analogy for what we are. What you see here is something that is organic, right? The structure of the candle is like this waxy carbon-based stuff, which is very similar to your body in many ways, right? You're made of the same stuff as this candle. You have a few more proteins and a few more other things, but mostly it's the same kind of stuff. A flame consumes oxygen and releases CO2, which is exactly what you do when you breathe. You breathe in oxygen, you breathe out CO2, and that happens in your mitochondria. We will talk about this a little bit. What you see also with this flame is that it's flexible. And it's sensitive. It responds very sensitively to the movement of air around it, but it's also resilient, right?
There's a quality about it that's resilient, just like us. We're very sensitive in some ways, but also very resilient at the same time. It's always in movement. It's dynamic, right? Second by second, it's never the same. It's adaptable. There's a warmth quality to it and a bright quality to it. It releases a light just like we do. He releases photons, and it's ephemeral, right? It has a finite lifespan. One day, this candle will be burnt out, and then we'll die. And just like every living creature on the planet has this kind of movement. So we are energetic processes.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is the episode’s main focus and who are the guests?
0:04–2:40
2
How do Dr. Martin Picard, Dr. Richard Hammerschlag, and Dr. Neil Thies each define “energy” in the body?
2:40–13:35
3
What does the candle‑flame analogy reveal about mitochondria and living energy?
13:35–23:41
4
Why do the hosts argue that the body is not a molecular machine?
23:41–1:25:54
Speakers
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